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Guys,
I think the CPAP would be so much more popular if they were painted black...came with a helmet...and a voice synthesizer...so you sound like James Earl Jones!
SOrry...trying to lend some humor to a pretty serious thing...MOFO's die form sleep apnea...
you take care Yvsa!
Shane
I think the CPAP would be so much more popular if they were painted black...came with a helmet...and a voice synthesizer...so you sound like James Earl Jones!
SOrry...trying to lend some humor to a pretty serious thing...MOFO's die form sleep apnea...
you take care Yvsa!
Shane
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shane justice said:
"Luke... I am your respiratory therapist...
Surgery or a tounge depressor isn't an option for everybody. And although I seek enlightenment, I wish to do so while breathing. So the CPAP is what we got... at least, on a really cold night, you can pull blankets over your head and still have your own air supply.
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Yvsa said:John there are ways to fight sleep apnea without having to resort to a CPAP. First and formost stay at a decent weight.
There are also surgeries to cut away excess material in the throat that help a great deal I understand.
Do what's necessary to keep the old sinuses clear.
I've told the Drs' that my problem isn't as much of not breathing because of tissue but of trying to clear my throat.
I wake up trying to swallow and can't it seems, a real pain in the arse!!!!
Since the holidays, I've been knocking off a noticeable amount of weight. I'm 350 and 6'2". I have a CPAP, but haven't used it because I need a new mask, and just haven't gotten around to getting one. While I've been losing the weight, I have noticed in the past month that I have been falling asleep driving home and that I'm starting to drift off at work. I've got bad apnea, and snore like a hot rod. I have the full mask, at first it was a pain in the arse, but after I got used to it, I was sleeping straight through the night, no getting up to drink some water or go to the bathroom.
I have used a CPAP sonce 1988 and am on my second machine. I heartily recommend them. My brother has obstructive sleep apnea and had the surgery for it. It did some good, but it did not cure the entire problem. Sometimes, you just need to go the CPAP route.
BTW, when you had your sleep test, did they also check you for restless leg syndrome? If not, you might want to check out the possibility. The leg twitches also interrupt your sleep.
BTW, when you had your sleep test, did they also check you for restless leg syndrome? If not, you might want to check out the possibility. The leg twitches also interrupt your sleep.
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FullerH said:
I think I do have restless leg syndrome besides the sleep apnea but I wasn't checked for it. The little bastard that did my sleep test was like a damned jumping jack. Every time I woke up whether I had the mask on or off it wasn't two seconds before he was in my room chattering like a mad crow.
If he'd of just let me alone I'd gotten up, got a drink and went right back to sleep, but no!:thumbdn:
If he hadn't been so vigilant about when I woke up as to why he might've seen that I had the RLS.
Barb says my legs and feet are always on the move when I'm sleeping. If it weren't for naps during the day I wouldn't get enough sleep.
I got back in the habit of using my CPAP until the last lymph node infection in my neck and the straps hurt too much too use it so now I've gotta get used to it all over again.
I finally got the heater/humidifier working just right and that helped quite a bit.
I'm due for another machine in just a few months and they say/I've heard the new ones are a lot better.
We'll see.
I have the 2003 model Respironics which replaced my old Respironics Sleep-EZ III that my health insurance bought for me in 1988. When I brought it in for a tune-up in 2003, the company said that they could no longer get parts for it and that I needed to buy a new one, even though the old one still worked fine. But that new one is a honey, making about 1/4 the noise and ever so much easier to carry. It also has the CPAP valve inside of it instead of being part of the hose attachment sticking out of the front. That damned thing was a friction fit and was always cracking on me. It was one of the reasons that I was bringing the old machine in for a tune-up, I needed a new valve.
As to restless leg syndrome, it definitely sounds as if you have it, and I speak from experience on this. I take 2 Sinemet CR pills and one other, the one that they are recently advertiziing on TV. The Sinemet is a delayed release form of levidopamine and carbodopamine, used in larger dosages for Parkinsons Disease. It makes sense if you think about it. But the non-delayed release form was absolute murder on my stomach. I was up retching at least 3-4 nights a week from it, so that is why they put me on the CR version. You might also ask about that if you are diagnosed as having RLS. BTW, you do sleep one Hell of a lot better taking it and so will your wife.
As to restless leg syndrome, it definitely sounds as if you have it, and I speak from experience on this. I take 2 Sinemet CR pills and one other, the one that they are recently advertiziing on TV. The Sinemet is a delayed release form of levidopamine and carbodopamine, used in larger dosages for Parkinsons Disease. It makes sense if you think about it. But the non-delayed release form was absolute murder on my stomach. I was up retching at least 3-4 nights a week from it, so that is why they put me on the CR version. You might also ask about that if you are diagnosed as having RLS. BTW, you do sleep one Hell of a lot better taking it and so will your wife.
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It will seem wacky, but I believe evidence suggests sleep apnea is caused by very low CO2 levels. The throat clearing, Yvsa, in this light is not surprising. Doctors have it wrong, as usual.
Yes, the cause of snoring is not enough CO2 levels in the blood. There is something called the Bohr Effect that means that the higher
the CO2 levels in your blood, the better your tissues get oxygenated.
Here's how to measure this. Get a seconds timer like one used in the kitchen. Exhale naturally, and at the end of the exhale, hold your breath, hold your nose, and start the timer. Stop when it gets uncomfortable.
A healthy person should be able to do 40 seconds. When I started I could do 12 - 14 seconds. Now I can do 30 seconds. This is known as the "control pause".
There are several parts to this:
1. only breathe through your nose. Stop all mouth breathing. Have your mouth open when you talk, when you eat or brush teeth, and all the other times, closed.
2. tape your mouth at night so it stays closed. I use a Johnson & Johnson tape that doesn't cause any allergy and stays on all night.
3. start the breathing exercises. Here is how I do them:
* You relax and observe your breathing without trying to affect it.
* Observe the inhalations and mentally imagine the air going in.
* Now, modify your mental image by imagining the air going in slightly less deeply.
You may feel a slight desire for more air. That's normal. You don't want to feel uncomfortable. Your breathing may speed up. But that's fine. Just keep breathing in shallowly using the mental image.
That's it. If you do 2 sessions per day for a few days, tape your mouth and breathe through your nose, you will stop snoring.
Here's how to do a session:
* take your pulse and write it down.
* do a control pause, write it down. When you do a control pause, don't do it to the point of discomfort. Do it to the point when you can restart your breathing in the same pattern as before. This is important as otherwise it will be stressful and it's not supposed to be.
* Do 5 or 10 minutes of the reduced breathing
* Do a control pause
* Do another 5 or 10 minutes of reduced breathing
* Do a control pause
* repeat the 5 or 10 minutes, totalling about 30 minutes
* end with a control pause and take your pulse again.
* rest 5 minutes, do a last control pause.
If you do it right (and this can take awhile to get right), you will usually feel more relaxed and a bit sleepy. Your pulse will be lower at the end. And your CP will be higher after the 5 minutes of resting.
While you do it, relax especially by relaxing your belly. This should be very relaxing and not stressful.
You do this twice per day. In a few days, the snoring will stop. Less need to urinate during the night (I used to get up 3 - 4 times per night, now I rarely have to at all), reduced need to sleep, fewer dreams that you remember, better sleep, better recovery from exercises, much more.
more about what's behind raising your CO2 levels
Higher CO2 levels mean the arteries are dilated so you have better and easier blood flow and lower blood pressure. Your nerves are actually calmer and more relaxed. Many chemical reactions require CO2 and work more efficiently.
On the other hand, for some reason, many of us breathe too much volume of air. As a result, we actually oxygenate more poorly.
In studies, averages for control pauses:
* normal people could do 33 - 38 seconds.
* people with anxiety issues could do 16 - 20 seconds.
* people with heart problems 13- 16 seconds
* fitness instructors could do 46 - 67 seconds
* people with emphysema could do 8 seconds
* people with asthma could do 11 - 20 seconds
* people with obstructive sleep apnea could do 20 seconds
The differences come through in how much you inhale each minute on average. The healthy person breathes 6 liters per minute average. Someone suffering from typical diseases and issues like the above will breathe 10 liters to 25 liters per minute.
The CPAP actually makes sleep apnea worse.
In general, the more you breathe, the less healthy it is. Most people today are not in great health in Western society and we overbreathe, or chronically hyperventilate.
Conversely, if you try to hyperventilate consciously for a minute or two, you can often bring on many symptoms of poor health. (Don't do this if you have any heart problems or serious health issues).
Common hyperventilation health problems include panic attacks, anxiety, asthma, getting sick a lot, sleep apnea, over-eating, excessive weight gain, and neurological problems.
When I first heard about this, I didn't believe it. It is too simple and almost quacky (is that a word?). But now that I have read extensively about it, I understand that this is so keyed to health that it probably eclipses other factors such as diet.
And I tried it. I said, why not? I have been on asthma medication since I was an infant, and I also have had a serious snoring problem. The snoring went away in 3 or 4 days. I still snore a little on occasion, but hardly at all and not loudly. I haven't been on asthma meds for months and I lost 20 pounds without any effort on my part.
Doing two 25 minute exercises each day of reduced breathing can have major beneficial effects. The effects are quite lasting for some reason. One theory is that the breathing center re-adjusts to higher CO2 levels as you do the exercises, and your health improves.
It affects each cell in the body at a most basic level and therefore is a huge determinant of overall health.
If you don't have a high control pause, that doesn't mean you are actively sick. Many people with a low CP often have health issues even if they are not aware of them.
Some of these health issues are subtle. I've gotten my control pause up quite a bit. But now, I can feel a root canal that I had a number of years ago acting up.
My dentist says that is common. Apparently, many people have anerobic infections that continue in their gums or in a root canal area and continually challenge the body's immune system. Other people may have issues like slow-healing wounds, frequent colds or fungus infections. And some people with a low CP feel fine!
Yes, the cause of snoring is not enough CO2 levels in the blood. There is something called the Bohr Effect that means that the higher
the CO2 levels in your blood, the better your tissues get oxygenated.
Here's how to measure this. Get a seconds timer like one used in the kitchen. Exhale naturally, and at the end of the exhale, hold your breath, hold your nose, and start the timer. Stop when it gets uncomfortable.
A healthy person should be able to do 40 seconds. When I started I could do 12 - 14 seconds. Now I can do 30 seconds. This is known as the "control pause".
There are several parts to this:
1. only breathe through your nose. Stop all mouth breathing. Have your mouth open when you talk, when you eat or brush teeth, and all the other times, closed.
2. tape your mouth at night so it stays closed. I use a Johnson & Johnson tape that doesn't cause any allergy and stays on all night.
3. start the breathing exercises. Here is how I do them:
* You relax and observe your breathing without trying to affect it.
* Observe the inhalations and mentally imagine the air going in.
* Now, modify your mental image by imagining the air going in slightly less deeply.
You may feel a slight desire for more air. That's normal. You don't want to feel uncomfortable. Your breathing may speed up. But that's fine. Just keep breathing in shallowly using the mental image.
That's it. If you do 2 sessions per day for a few days, tape your mouth and breathe through your nose, you will stop snoring.
Here's how to do a session:
* take your pulse and write it down.
* do a control pause, write it down. When you do a control pause, don't do it to the point of discomfort. Do it to the point when you can restart your breathing in the same pattern as before. This is important as otherwise it will be stressful and it's not supposed to be.
* Do 5 or 10 minutes of the reduced breathing
* Do a control pause
* Do another 5 or 10 minutes of reduced breathing
* Do a control pause
* repeat the 5 or 10 minutes, totalling about 30 minutes
* end with a control pause and take your pulse again.
* rest 5 minutes, do a last control pause.
If you do it right (and this can take awhile to get right), you will usually feel more relaxed and a bit sleepy. Your pulse will be lower at the end. And your CP will be higher after the 5 minutes of resting.
While you do it, relax especially by relaxing your belly. This should be very relaxing and not stressful.
You do this twice per day. In a few days, the snoring will stop. Less need to urinate during the night (I used to get up 3 - 4 times per night, now I rarely have to at all), reduced need to sleep, fewer dreams that you remember, better sleep, better recovery from exercises, much more.
more about what's behind raising your CO2 levels
Higher CO2 levels mean the arteries are dilated so you have better and easier blood flow and lower blood pressure. Your nerves are actually calmer and more relaxed. Many chemical reactions require CO2 and work more efficiently.
On the other hand, for some reason, many of us breathe too much volume of air. As a result, we actually oxygenate more poorly.
In studies, averages for control pauses:
* normal people could do 33 - 38 seconds.
* people with anxiety issues could do 16 - 20 seconds.
* people with heart problems 13- 16 seconds
* fitness instructors could do 46 - 67 seconds
* people with emphysema could do 8 seconds
* people with asthma could do 11 - 20 seconds
* people with obstructive sleep apnea could do 20 seconds
The differences come through in how much you inhale each minute on average. The healthy person breathes 6 liters per minute average. Someone suffering from typical diseases and issues like the above will breathe 10 liters to 25 liters per minute.
The CPAP actually makes sleep apnea worse.
In general, the more you breathe, the less healthy it is. Most people today are not in great health in Western society and we overbreathe, or chronically hyperventilate.
Conversely, if you try to hyperventilate consciously for a minute or two, you can often bring on many symptoms of poor health. (Don't do this if you have any heart problems or serious health issues).
Common hyperventilation health problems include panic attacks, anxiety, asthma, getting sick a lot, sleep apnea, over-eating, excessive weight gain, and neurological problems.
When I first heard about this, I didn't believe it. It is too simple and almost quacky (is that a word?). But now that I have read extensively about it, I understand that this is so keyed to health that it probably eclipses other factors such as diet.
And I tried it. I said, why not? I have been on asthma medication since I was an infant, and I also have had a serious snoring problem. The snoring went away in 3 or 4 days. I still snore a little on occasion, but hardly at all and not loudly. I haven't been on asthma meds for months and I lost 20 pounds without any effort on my part.
Doing two 25 minute exercises each day of reduced breathing can have major beneficial effects. The effects are quite lasting for some reason. One theory is that the breathing center re-adjusts to higher CO2 levels as you do the exercises, and your health improves.
It affects each cell in the body at a most basic level and therefore is a huge determinant of overall health.
If you don't have a high control pause, that doesn't mean you are actively sick. Many people with a low CP often have health issues even if they are not aware of them.
Some of these health issues are subtle. I've gotten my control pause up quite a bit. But now, I can feel a root canal that I had a number of years ago acting up.
My dentist says that is common. Apparently, many people have anerobic infections that continue in their gums or in a root canal area and continually challenge the body's immune system. Other people may have issues like slow-healing wounds, frequent colds or fungus infections. And some people with a low CP feel fine!
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CF I'll try to give this a whirl and see what happens. I do best in the day during the morning after I get some good rest, and that means even if I have to lay back down and nap after breakfast, doesn't happen too often anymore but does happen.
I used to be able to hold my breath for a long time, about 90 seconds but that's been many, many, years ago.
They gave me some kind of breath meter before I went in for surgery where you blow out all the air you can and then some and then take a deep breath and then blow into the mouthpiece. I can get the level to 3500 consistently the first time but subsequent tries are lower. I don't know if that has any bearing on this but thought I'd mention it to see if it might be?
I'm going to print your post so I can get everything settled in my mind before I start. Sounds easy but sometimes even the easy things can be a tad complicated when I go to try them.
I used to be able to hold my breath for a long time, about 90 seconds but that's been many, many, years ago.
They gave me some kind of breath meter before I went in for surgery where you blow out all the air you can and then some and then take a deep breath and then blow into the mouthpiece. I can get the level to 3500 consistently the first time but subsequent tries are lower. I don't know if that has any bearing on this but thought I'd mention it to see if it might be?
I'm going to print your post so I can get everything settled in my mind before I start. Sounds easy but sometimes even the easy things can be a tad complicated when I go to try them.
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Yvsa said:
The control pause is a way to measure how much CO2 you have in your system and it should be relaxing. You exhale comfortably and then hold your exhaled breath while you start the timer. Stop when it stops being comfortable.
It's a peak flow meter. Anything that gets you to breath deeply like this isn't so good because it causes you to hyperventilate and get rid of CO2. You want to breath shallowly and increase your CO2.
And you can see why the CPAP isn't so good either -- it increases your oxygen levels and decreases CO2 levels. I'm not saying to dump CPAP because I'm not a doctor but it can't hurt to try Buteyko.
I'm going to print your post so I can get everything settled in my mind before I start. Sounds easy but sometimes even the easy things can be a tad complicated when I go to try them.
It can take a few days, weeks or even months to really get right. The key is relaxation. When you do it right, you will feel a bit sleepy, relaxed. Your pulse will slow down.
The snoring going away really surprised me because it happened so quickly for me.
If I don't tape my mouth at night, I still may snore a bit, so I always tape. My CP is improving and eventually perhaps I won't need to tape. But it's no big deal. My wife says she gets to sleep with a hostage now
(Snoring doesn't mean you have sleep apnea of course but it is often a prelude to sleep apnea.)
There is a great support group on Yahoo devoted to this that is helpful. The method is called the Buteyko method and there's lots on the web about it. It is used for asthma but also for apnea.
There is, indeed,such a thing as obstructive apnea and that is what the Nasal CPAP is designed to counter. I believe that the apnea being discussed by cognitivefun is one of the other varieties.
Oh, and snoring is not necessarily sleep apnea, although the two are frequently connected.
Oh, and snoring is not necessarily sleep apnea, although the two are frequently connected.
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Nasty said:
I thought all the thuggish types used staples.
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some people use oral devices to displace the jaw forwards, increasing the airway by toungue displacement. these tend to be expensive, and not suitable for people with crowns & bridgework. this guy has found a cheaper solution, and has not snored since implimenting it.
it seems to be the perfect solution for knife collectors as you can carry your favourites around with you and the police can't do anything as they are medical devices......
...and for bruise, it takes a lot of staples to hold your mouth shut, this guy still hasn't had enough......
it seems to be the perfect solution for knife collectors as you can carry your favourites around with you and the police can't do anything as they are medical devices......
...and for bruise, it takes a lot of staples to hold your mouth shut, this guy still hasn't had enough......
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Before my autopap I used to be tired all the time. Even fell asleep at work standing up (leaning against a wall) and fell asleep riding my Harley. Fell asleep all the time.
Autopap gave me a new life of awakeness. Still have to take a sleeping pill every night to deal with the damned thing over my nose. It's worth it though.
Steve
Autopap gave me a new life of awakeness. Still have to take a sleeping pill every night to deal with the damned thing over my nose. It's worth it though.
Steve
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kronckew said:this guy has found a cheaper solution, and has not snored since implimenting it.
it seems to be the perfect solution for knife collectors as you can carry your favourites around with you and the police can't do anything as they are medical devices......
Another possibility for the "carry options" page of the faq!