CPM S110V available to makers?

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Rick Haney Design

Rick Haney Design

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I see there's a new kid in town,CPM S110V.Is it available to knifemakers,Not on Admiral's website.Do I need to check with Crucible direct?
Is S110V Crucible's counter to ZDP 189?Inquiring minds want to know.:D
 
Sounds interesting, especially the part about it being Crucibles version of Hitachi's ZDP189. I've been trying to get a response, a brochure, or something/anything, from Hitachi for over 2 months now with no luck :grumpy:

Where did you catch wind of this Rick ?



:cool:
 
not really a crucible ZDP189

cpms110v is a even higher ware thencpms90v and since s125v didnt make it to production in guessing for knife makers it the top of the heap that crucible has right now (not counting other grades that you cant really get in the right sizes )
 
David,S110v looks to be the next super steel.I thought maybe Crucible developed S110V to possibly counter Hitachi's ZDP189,Just my personal observation.:DIt seems ZDP189 not that easy to obtain here in the states,Been trying to find a source to get some ZDP189-ATS-34 San Mai.No luck.:(

Lloyd,I just put up the Bladeforums Knife Calander.I'm looking at your razor on the Jan page,Damn cool!One of these days,I'm getting one of the bad boys!:eek:Nice work.
 
I talked to Bruce Davita @ Crucible about availability of S-110V.He said there working on getting more pours on S-110V.Want to get my hands on some!:D
 
Rick Haney Design said:
Want to get my hands on some!:D
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Careful what you ask for. You might get it.

I put a bar on the bandsaw with a new M42 bimetal blade and watched it just turn and skate. After 2 minutes, it was less than 1/16" in. On the big saw, the carbide grit blade complained but did get through. I took the small piece and ground off enough mill scale to rockwell test it. I figured it must not be annealed. About RHC 43. Looked at the spec sheet - it anneals to Brinnell 400 - about RHC 43 give or take a bit. (154CM is only brinnell 235.) This is annealed. I took the rest of the bar down to the grinder to take off the mill scale. After about 10 passes each side,the 60g Norton hogger was giving me some shiny high spots but really getting nowhere. A fresh 36g hogger, not much more. After 20 slow passes at full speed (with some pressure from the push stick), I'm still not nearly there yet. 40 passes per side and switched to 24g Zirconia I'm getting somewhere, but after a dozen passes per side, I still have a long ways to go.

Obviously, this is about more than the hardness. I have ground prehardened (RHC60) blanks of 154CM, and this is just an order of magnitude harder. There are some serious carbides happening here and I suspect the Niobium plays a key role.

This steel is VERY difficult to work, but anything this tenacious has to be worth the effort. ;)

I already know it is hell on bandsaw blades - and that it Eats Belts for Breakfast - and that the mill scale finish is very rough and uneven requiring lots of grinding.

I suspect drill bits are not going to like it, and 'Oh boy" am I ever looking forward to hand polishing it. :rolleyes:

I really want to talk to someone else who has worked it.

This stuff is going to change my whole idea of machineability. Any one else manage to get a bit?

Rob!
 
Sweet jumpin Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, I want some of this stuff but I kinda would rather kick my self in the ballz, than grind it.

Guess I will have to go and buy some.
 
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Rob,how did you get some?;)
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It showed up by mistake in a $10,000 (CDN) steel order. Just a little bar, about 1 1/4 x 5/32 x 18 or so, but I wasn't honest enought to return it. :D

I swear I will evaluate this honestly. For starters, the 5/32 thing will be lucky to have 1/8 left when I get the rough surface ground out. This stuff does not have the normal processing done. I suspect grinding this stuff just to clean will eat at least 3, high end belts. It is as-HIP - really rough!

I can say already that you will not like working this stuff - but there will be a huge amount of pride in the finished product.

More to follow.

Rob!
 
sounds about liek when i got a small chink of cpm125v that Mr wilson sent me

the scales was a bear
but i could saw it with my good saw blades 9mind you i was workingona folder sized bar

ground it to 99% pre heat treat and its a good thing too
as it kills belts in about 2 pass on a 4inch blade
i have worked cpm10v so i know i ll at some point get some 110 just to try it

also jsut so you kwo the last cpm10v blade i did i hand sanded before heat treat

might be the best option if your really even thinking about handsanding that 110v
 
I wonder how well it would be forged... If you get it hot enough, it's sure to bend easier
 
Spoke with Bruce Divita about it, and he said "slow down - it work hardens" I tried turning the grinder down to 30%. Now I'm getting nowhere slower. :rolleyes:

OK, he was right. It is making progress now, which it was not doing at all before. I now have a profile and one side down to clean steel.

How the heck did Kershaw turn this stuff into a production run????? :confused:

Sometimes, courage doesn't roar. Sometimes, it's that small voice at the end of the day that says "I'll try again tomorrow". ;)

Rob!
 
I'd almost like to give this stuff a try, but at nearly 60 years of age I'm not sure I have enough years left..............well, perhaps if I make it to about 95!

-Mike-
 
Probably a stupid question... but would a sen (Is that the term for the Japanese sword shaping blade?) or a sharp file have any better luck on this stuff? Or would that not be any different (and in fact much slower/more hellish) from grinder abrasion. Maybe it's just the 2am talking but somehow in my mind that seems like it would be so crazy it'd have to work somehow. Which matters more for ease of stock removal... RC hardness or the alloys in the steel? :confused:

This is why I shy from crazy midnight posting :D
 
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