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Michael Lovett

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I had a long talk today with the President of Niagara. Apparently they are paying attention. And paying attention to the steel and supplier thread here on the forum.

These folks are serious about supplying Superior Quality steel to the Knife Makers.

We also covered at length the problems associated with ordering with Admiral Steel. Niagara was completely unaware of not only the problems with Admiral, but interested in the length of time it has been going on.
They were also quite surprised to learn that not only is the wrong steel being shipped much too often, but also that no mill run spec. sheet accompanied the shipments. (This isn't how it is supposed to work Guy's!)

Aldo Bruno came highly recommended by Niagara.

They also called the Loveless Shop later today, and pretty much received the same info I related to them. I just got off the phone with Jim Merritt of the Loveless Shop, and gave him the contact info for Aldo Bruno and e-mailed him the price list..
They are slightly higher that admiral, but it is worth it to know what we are receiving.

It is refreshing to have a Major Steel Company pay attention to the Custom Knife Industry.
My hat is off to them.

Mike
Maker
The Loveless Connection Knives
 
Thanks for the info Mike. The CPM steels are awesome.
Scott
 
I'm dismayed and at the same time embarrassed that with all of the complaints there have been about steels and suppliers, that when the President of one of the largest steel manufactures In the Unite States is willing to take the time to work with us, that no one is has the time or common decency to respond to this thread.

It speaks volumes as to the lack professionalism of a very large number of the posters here on this forum. :confused::(

Damed Shame

Mike Lovett
Maker
The Loveless Connection Knives
 
Michael Lovett said:
I'm dismayed and at the same time embarrassed that with all of the complaints there have been about steels and suppliers, that when the President of one of the largest steel manufactures In the Unite States is willing to take the time to work with us, that no one is has the time or common decency to respond to this thread.

It speaks volumes as to the lack professionalism of a very large number of the posters here on this forum. :confused::(

Damed Shame

Mike Lovett
Maker
The Loveless Connection Knives
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I find it extremely rude of you to come at us in this manner. You did not pose a question, you did not ask for opinions- so what are we supposed to comment on- congratulations on getting Aldo's name that most on here know even if they have never bought from him (ex. myself)? Way to go for having a supplier talk to a customer?

It is good when the supplier listens, but I really am choked that you would speak of the other posters on this site in such a manner for not commenting on a thread that was in essence a stand alone statement. You are not the president, so why should we give you kudos? It is the first time I've read threads today, could it possibly be that people actually are too busy or had nothing to contribute.

If you were my child I'd tell you to grow up.
 
Mike what are you looking for here
you posted about stuff
adding that aldo is a big help and NSM is a big player
but to say they make the steel is false

and theyb really dont want to deal with my size orders and are better suited to sending to aldo and then letting him disperse to the masses

what is it that your lookign for as far as feedback in this thread ? you seem to have covered things
 
Michael Lovett said:
I'm dismayed and at the same time embarrassed that with all of the complaints there have been about steels and suppliers, that when the President of one of the largest steel manufactures In the Unite States is willing to take the time to work with us, that no one is has the time or common decency to respond to this thread.

It speaks volumes as to the lack professionalism of a very large number of the posters here on this forum. :confused::(

Damed Shame

Mike Lovett
Maker
The Loveless Connection Knives
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Especially since the most recent thread about them probably aired most of those issues.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=782499

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549380
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281815

I don't understand why you are dressing makers down about professionalism for not complaining more about about Admiral.

Your post is a statement and asks for no opinions or comments.

Consider this also that it is the weekend of Halloween and many people have parties or events to go to whether for themselves or for their children.

If you want responses, get over yourself and ask a question that people are interested in answering






NSM already has a presence on this board and we know CPM steels are available there.
We know Aldo sells it. I expect the best thing you could do is force / help Aldo to provide an updated website that lists everything he has available alloys, thicknesses, widths, prices.

Coming from Canada, I would prefer to source my steel within the country instead of shipping heavy steel allover the world, but I have to order and ship it.

I will not buy from Admiral because they have proven themselves to be unreliable.
Even if they do sell me the correct steel, from comments others have posted, I expect that the sheared widths would arrive warped and twisted from incorrect shear settings.
I can't afford the time or $ to deal with returns, or scrap on expensive steel that should arrive in good and usable condition.
 
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Yeah, I'm a little :confused: :confused: myself. It's been a while since someone has outright questioned my professionalism....

--nathan
 
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It's been a while since someone has outright questioned my professionalism....
--nathan
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:D Happens to me all the time. They figure the best defence is a good offence. Then they find out the patrol car has video and I carry the mic. I get called all kinds of things - but you're right - unprofessional stings a bit more than most.

Rob!
 
Well, in all honesty, the thread title was about CPM steel. Not everyone uses it. I know I don't usually read threads that have titles involving something I have no interest in. Unless of course I am bored...:D
 
Mike,

Perhaps you'd like to share the reason for your OP and what about Admiral was discussed. Otherwise your thread makes little sense.

Gene
 
Spent a long time looking for CPM 154 after Crucible went bankrupt, but found out that Admiral's ATS-34 and 154CM is actually not that bad these days -if it's good enough for the Loveless shop, it's good enough for me. ;)

If I need something with better edge holding, BG-42 is a good choice if you can find it.
 
To call out all of the makers/posters on this forum as being unprofessional, especially when not everyone, including myself, uses CPM steels is... unprofessional at best, hypocritical at worst. As others have said, if you want responses, try asking a question that others care enough about to answer. :-(
 
I read the initial post and think to myself; Hmmm...interesting and nice of him to do that. Then I read his second post and think to myself; Where is this guy coming from? Wow!!
 
Michael Lovett said:
I'm dismayed and at the same time embarrassed that with all of the complaints there have been about steels and suppliers, that when the President of one of the largest steel manufactures In the Unite States is willing to take the time to work with us, that no one is has the time or common decency to respond to this thread.

It speaks volumes as to the lack professionalism of a very large number of the posters here on this forum. :confused::(

Damed Shame

Mike Lovett
Maker
The Loveless Connection Knives
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This is the first time I've seen this thread and the first one I looked at this morning. I actually did a double take! To question everyone's professionalism because they did not reply to your post is really over the top! I agree with the others in that the original post needed no reply and to make a broad condemnation of the users of this board by the lack of replies is telling. :thumbdn:
If it is replies you want, this is one way to get them.

~Alden
 
I was glad to hear about Aldo's connection that he made with Niagara and have been buying my steel from him and plugging him whenever asked about suppliers. My CPM steel comes from no one else.
It seems kind of odd for the OP to take offense on the part of Niagara for our lack of response, especially when there was no question aksed. If the folks at Niagara have been following the threads here then I must assume they could post and ask for feedback themselves, if they wanted?
 
Sir, I do not normally get involved in pissing contests but your comments in post #3 causes me to question YOU'RE professionalism. I hope I am wrong.
 
I just saw this and have to agree that I think it is great that Niagara is interested in our market. Whether that interest takes the form of a little sub business serving the smaller buyers or working through Aldo and the various knife making supply shops it will be good for us.

Individually, even the full time multi-person knife making shops are not really a big customer, but as a whole we probably represent enough business to be worth the special attention. The key is how it is organized so that the overhead involved in dealing with us is not too high. Maybe that means limited selection, maybe it means shipping in volume to smaller vendors to market to us. I am interested to see what happens.
 
What I am saying is this. There have been numerous post and threads over the years about Admiral, and the Knife Makers not being treated as a profession.

Finally a Manufacturer, "NOT Supplier" takes a huge step in addressing these issues. This is very unusually in our Cottage Industry.

Yet with the head of a major steel company coming to us, and giving the Custom Knife Makers long deserved recognition and respect, the board is silent.

Many of us have been vocal as to the problems with a supplier the last couple of years.

It would seem to be at least as important to acknowledge and appreciate a manufacturer that is actually trying to do something for us, as it is to complain about a supplier that is not treating us with respect.

And Niagara handles a great deal more than CPM steels. They carry excellent forging steels as well.


I ask no questions here. However, Niagara is paying attention to us here on the forum. It doesn't hurt to be big enough to praise good business practices, as least as much as complain about shoddy practices.

Doing the right thing is up to you.

If you don't care for my comments, fine. I don't effect your business. The Steel industry does. We should at least act like we give a damed. Especially with so much of it now lost in this Country, and going over seas. It is refreshing to see a company really putting forth an effort.

Notice how many comments after I posted a negative. Only one before. People usually only take offense, when it hits close to home.
 
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