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Craftsman American Eagle Collection

Discussion in 'Schrade Knives Collectors Forum' started by rprocter, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. rprocter

    rprocter Banned BANNED

    Jan 19, 2007
    The 1971 Sears catalogue presented 6 Schrade-Walden knives made to Sears specifications as the "Craftsman American Eagle Collection". They came with El Cid custom made leather sheaths.
    These knives have been discussed in various threads posted some years ago but i cannot find a comprehensive thread so i'm hoping this will evolve into one

    Here is a part of page 871 from the 1971 Sears catalogue showing 4 of these knives:

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    Here is my example of the "Sportsman's Knife" with " 4 3/8" Stainless steel blade ", marked"Craftsman/U.S.A." and "SS". This is the Sears version of the 41OT "Maverick" made 1971-73. I believe the earlier Schrade-Walden was a 141L.

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    I'll post pics of some of the other knives later. Please feel free to post any examples of these Sears knives that you have as well as correct or add to whatever history i post.
    roland
     
  2. rprocter

    rprocter Banned BANNED

    Jan 19, 2007
    Here's the $12 knife, a stainless 25OT with the clip blade tang marked "Craftsman/Stainless/U.S.A." and the skinner blade tang "Stainless". Sears called this "Hunter's Folding Knife" # 21631. This one is unused but no box.

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    I've got a couple more to show in upcoming posts.
    roland
     
  3. tongueriver

    tongueriver Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 28, 2007
    Roland, those are great knives in a great series, and since you obviously have the other two, I think you should spring for an oak display case for them. I have a pickup load of oak 1x4s and a tablesaw but no skills and no empty walls. LOL!
     
  4. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Excellent find on the ad! Was that the spring/summer or fall/winter catalog? I have all of the knives in that set now, the only one without the box is the folding hunter #21631. The man I bought it from told me that he was a retired Sears sporting goods manager and that the knives were, to the best of his recollection, for instore sales only, not catalog items. I guess he and we were wrong, at least in 1971. By the way, that Bowie #21627 is a beast! It is a BB166 handled and pommeled like the production 41OT. A better construction and presentation then the stock BB166, IMHO.
     
  5. rprocter

    rprocter Banned BANNED

    Jan 19, 2007
    "By the way, that Bowie #21627 is a beast!"
    Sears called this "Bowie Hunting Knife" with a "7" carbon steel blade. The blade is very similar to the WW II Mark 2 Combat Knife.

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    Here it is next to a 165 for some idea as to it's size:

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    Michael, the catalogue picture was sent to me by another collector. I have sent a message asking which of the 1971 catalogues it comes from.
    roland
     
  6. tongueriver

    tongueriver Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 28, 2007
    Schrade also contributed some knives to Sears in their ACA EDGE lineup. Here is the analogue to the 165 OT, with the tang completely hidden in Delrin, and surmounted by a brass pommel cap, secured with a Phillips screw, like unto the 153UH, for instance. Notice the stainless steel guard in the throat of the original sheath. Codger has an example which I believe is nicer than this one. To my knowledge no one here has seen a box.

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  7. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    It wasn't the Christmas Wishbook as it had only 620 pages. My Sears catalog collection is packed away and I am not sure if I have the 1971 Fall/Winter issue. Filling in the years was getting expensive and I didn't buy any of the specialty catalogs like hunting/camping when those came out. But they were even fewer pages, IIRC.

    Some of the Wishbooks are available online and have some Craftsman knives.
    http://www.wishbookweb.com/
     
  8. edbeau

    edbeau

    Jan 20, 2006
    Those sheaths with the large rivets are real stout looking.
     
  9. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    The leather is quite thick too. Most damage I have ever seen to them is the snap halves pulling apart due to corrosion.
     
  10. AussieBosun

    AussieBosun KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

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    Sep 24, 2011
    Nice knives you have there Roland , especially the 21627 bowie , I do like the walnut handle on the BB166 but the craftsman seems so much more user friendly with the pommel and finger guard , I will be putting that one on my "wish" list......
     
  11. delmas2nd

    delmas2nd Gold Member Gold Member

    951
    Apr 14, 2008
    yes, started me looking at Craftsman knives also. how does one tell if it is a Schrade or not? what are the tells? say the Lockbacks (LB7 my favorite) or others?
     
  12. howieareyu

    howieareyu Gold Member Gold Member

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    Feb 17, 2010
    :thumbup::thumbup: GREAT THREAD for the Archives Guys!! Thank You Very Much!!

    I own the Sportsman's Knife (41OT) model also.

    -- Howie
     
  13. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Unless the knife has a Sears stock number on the blade in stamp or etch, and you can match it to a catalog archive, the best way is by direct comparison with known Schrade (or Camillus) patterns. Also a forum search of a stock number here will turn up posts of previous discoveries. Sears also had knives made by Western, Colonial and others. But the lion's share pre 2007 were Schrade and Camillus (and Ulster, Imperial). As far as the lockbacks, post a picture and we can likely help.
     
  14. rprocter

    rprocter Banned BANNED

    Jan 19, 2007
    Here is my 4th knife of this series the "Deerslayer Hunting Knife" with a "5 1/4" contoured carbon steel blade", Sears #21624.
    It is a 165OT known in Schrade speak as the "Woodsman". Schrade used the name "Deerslayer" for the 15OT.

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    This "Craftsman American Eagle Collection" was a group of 6 knives. These 4 i have shown are all that i have. I do not know what the other 2 patterns are.
    Hopefully someone will know and post it and the addition of any interesting history around this series will be much appreciated as well.
    roland
     
  15. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    Six? I've only seen and acquired the four. I do know there was another series just after these which had a 171UH (second style handle) and the previously shown 165OT with the brass butt and hidden tang ala 153UH, but I have never seen the boxes or literature for those and don't know for certain if those two were all that were in that subsequent series. Both had the elephant hide embossed sheath with the metal throat protector. There was also the "Collection '77" which, as far as I can tell, was mainly a group of pocket knives. The most commonly seen of these now are a stockman in ivory Delrin and a barlow. I believe there was also a camp utility and perhaps several others. #95051 Craftsman Jack, #95043 Lumberjack (camp utility), #95644 Bowie Stock (jack). I don't have the barlow number just now.

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  16. rprocter

    rprocter Banned BANNED

    Jan 19, 2007
    Michael, good, 4 makes sense as only these 4 are shown in the old catalogue add. I thought i had read that there were 6.
    Regarding the 165 with a hidden tang and butt cap, were these made before the standard 165 ? only 1 run ? a special order for someone ?
    I missed getting one of these just a week ago, so i'm still on the hunt. I don't think a great many were made.
    roland
     
  17. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    They were also Sears Craftsman, "DEERSLAYER A.C. A. Edge". Ive never seen them with any other marking, nor the elephant hide impressed sheaths used in any other issue (though some early Schrade Scrim 502SC Sharpfingers did use that impressed leather on their sheaths). The "when" and "how many" are a mystery at this point. Perhaps your friend also has a Sears ad for these.

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  18. ea42

    ea42 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 1, 2006
    Say Michael, I may be mistaken but I think that's real elephant hide. I seem to recall Dave S. mentioning that either Albert or Henry Baer (most likely Henry) bought a bunch back from Africa, but it never really caught on. Fantastic knives everyone!!

    Eric
     
  19. delmas2nd

    delmas2nd Gold Member Gold Member

    951
    Apr 14, 2008
    was lucky enough, well i think i am lucky, to find this and win it. i am pretty sure the sheath is not original might be handmade or repaired? like the 171 style knife really makes a good work horse around the house and backyard (mine is kinda wild with a creek).
     

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  20. Codger_64

    Codger_64 Moderator Moderator

    Oct 8, 2004
    :eek: Well, it is attractive for sure. I'd never have imagined it to be real, but I haven't seen enough of these sheaths in good condition to do a comparison to see if the grain imprint is mechanically repeated from sheath to sheath or totally random.

    I have the Schrade version of that 171UH and also the Schrade Walden (aluminum birdhead pommel), but I am yet to see a good example of the Sears version with a good sheath. I am still hunting MIB 165OTs and Sharpfingers at the moment, so I have not paid a lot of attention to the Sears patterns lately. BTW, I am yet to see a Sears Craftsman Sharpfinger. Or a Schrade Walden Sharpfinger. But I hold out hopes for both.
     

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