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Mods, I'm not sure where to put this, if it gets out of hand I will close the thread and probably open one up in W&C or the cove. Please PM me with any suggestions or requests.
So, I've been having this debate about creationism vs evolutionism with my brother. I will give you all some back ground. I am a Christian ( I know that a lot of folks will add baggage to this that has nothing to do with me, but I want to be honest) and so is my brother, we both found Christ at different times through different means and we have completely different views on faith. Neither one of us was raised as a Christian, but we both have very devout (though completely different) Christian wives. I believe in empirical data and he believes that all men are fallible and thus their data/interpretation of data is fallible. (except the Bible?) He has been a believer for maybe a decade and I've only believed for a little over a year. Anyway, I've been having discussions with him for the past year about which of these beliefs might be more correct.
I've been doing research on this subject off and on for a year or so and I have not found any reason to believe that "creationism" is correct. Currently I've been taking a hard look at Genesis 1 and 2 and I am starting to think that they are two different stories. I find it very very difficult to find any scientific data at all that is unbiased. It all seems to be either laughing at "the other side". Whether it is creationists saying that modern artifacts found in coal veins prove the flood, or evolutionists saying that creationists are just completely unscientific. I REALLY would like to read some unbiased articles if anyone has links to some.
I have been studying the Bible (looking into the original Hebrew and Greek Languages when i need to) for about a year now and I cannot see how evolution would in some way hurt a persons faith. I have also been reading about evolutionism and geological science, as well as physics. I do understand that many people would like to take the entire Bible Literally, but in the scope of Christianity this is a very very new idea, and that many of these literal Christians will not take kindly to this discussion.
I'm planning on adding a poll to this thread to see what folk here believe. My wife tells me that I am in the minority since I believe in God and the Bible AND evolution. I truly truly hope that she is wrong.
My big questions are: What do you believe? Do you have any scientific proof to back up your beliefs? Do you trust science/scientists? Is one side or the other a big conspiracy?
My only request for you (yes YOU!) in this thread is that you either back up your beliefs with some sort of fact, or your personal interpretation of the Bible (with verses) I hope that I won't have to ask any one to keep the conversation civil.
I very sincerely want to have a rational adult conversation about this topic and I honestly hope that I am not asking too much of our community.
Thanks and God bless!
-Chris
So, I've been having this debate about creationism vs evolutionism with my brother. I will give you all some back ground. I am a Christian ( I know that a lot of folks will add baggage to this that has nothing to do with me, but I want to be honest) and so is my brother, we both found Christ at different times through different means and we have completely different views on faith. Neither one of us was raised as a Christian, but we both have very devout (though completely different) Christian wives. I believe in empirical data and he believes that all men are fallible and thus their data/interpretation of data is fallible. (except the Bible?) He has been a believer for maybe a decade and I've only believed for a little over a year. Anyway, I've been having discussions with him for the past year about which of these beliefs might be more correct.
I've been doing research on this subject off and on for a year or so and I have not found any reason to believe that "creationism" is correct. Currently I've been taking a hard look at Genesis 1 and 2 and I am starting to think that they are two different stories. I find it very very difficult to find any scientific data at all that is unbiased. It all seems to be either laughing at "the other side". Whether it is creationists saying that modern artifacts found in coal veins prove the flood, or evolutionists saying that creationists are just completely unscientific. I REALLY would like to read some unbiased articles if anyone has links to some.
I have been studying the Bible (looking into the original Hebrew and Greek Languages when i need to) for about a year now and I cannot see how evolution would in some way hurt a persons faith. I have also been reading about evolutionism and geological science, as well as physics. I do understand that many people would like to take the entire Bible Literally, but in the scope of Christianity this is a very very new idea, and that many of these literal Christians will not take kindly to this discussion.
I'm planning on adding a poll to this thread to see what folk here believe. My wife tells me that I am in the minority since I believe in God and the Bible AND evolution. I truly truly hope that she is wrong.
My big questions are: What do you believe? Do you have any scientific proof to back up your beliefs? Do you trust science/scientists? Is one side or the other a big conspiracy?
My only request for you (yes YOU!) in this thread is that you either back up your beliefs with some sort of fact, or your personal interpretation of the Bible (with verses) I hope that I won't have to ask any one to keep the conversation civil.
I very sincerely want to have a rational adult conversation about this topic and I honestly hope that I am not asking too much of our community.
Thanks and God bless!
-Chris