CRIMPT

[JH225]

From the responses in the Gunting review thread here and from doing a search I see that the Crimpt is designed with a "live" handle, but still has a drone blade(someone correct me if I'm wrong).

I fail to see the point in this. If you are training and will be using a Gunting as self defense carry , use the Gunting drone. If you want a Close Range Impact Tool ONLY, why have a drone blade that serves no purpose? I am assuming that the drone blade pivots and locks open, no? If this is the case, I still would rather see a completely non-functional blade,ie: permanantly closed.

If the Crimpt is made to be a control tool only, it does not need a non-functional blade. I will definitely be building one this way. We will see how it works.

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C.O.'s-"It takes balls to work behind the walls "


[This message has been edited by Jailhack (edited 02-23-2001).]

 

[steve22595]

Jailhack,

The DRONE/CRMIPT in the open position makes a great search probe, and also assists in many joint locks and escort applications.

Steve

 

[Jody]

Jailhack---Good questions------The ability to open the blade gives one more surface area for control. By having a fake blade, one has a self defense tool, which one can carry in places where one cannot carry a knife and still deal with an opponent who does have a blade. The opening the blade allows for greater leverage.

Many people working in private security can use the CRIMPT as a self defense tool because on top of all the functions on the drone, it can actually pinch, grab, and hook with sharp corners, not to mention all of the "pac-man" type of pinching and grabbing we can use with the "useless" drone blade. When open, the drone blade can be used to hook, grab and control due to the extension of the ramp.........The difference is going from a fist load tool to a kubatan/yawara.

In some cases, either for training or due to liability, or restrictions one may not be allowed to rip, pinch, or grab one's opponent and cause any damage, such as a security guard at a college football game. "No parent would want their out of control child harmed, but one must be able to control them" Bouncers in nice bars and restaurants need to be able to control the patrons if they are out of control and still have them happy to come back and spend their money on following nights.

Many security people, such as correctional people have expressed great interest in the drone and the CRIMPT. As you have seen from some of the previous posts actual LEO's are using the drone full time, and guess what? They have been using the blade as a search tool when open and to remove pockets to search for drugs, needles, etc.....

You may may have balls behind the walls, well.....I have tits in front of the walls

You will have to excuse me....I'm still in Commando Bitch mode...I haven't had my coffee yet.


Jody
aka-Gunting Goddess
aka-Commando Bitch
aka-High Priestess
aka-Warrior Woman

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Keep your chins up and your blades sharp!

[This message has been edited by Jody (edited 02-24-2001).]

 

[Don Rearic]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jody:
You may may have balls behind the walls, well.....I have tits in front of the walls

Jody</font>

That's purdy funny, I have had Biker friends in the joint that had kind girlfriends do that.

You're a hoot.

The main difference between the blades on the CRIMPT and the Drone are, the Drone's "edge" is radiused (it isn't too much on mine and the first runs, but Bram says they will be more radiused later) and the CRIMPT is supposed to have flat edges that are not radiused. Not an actual edge, but will tear you up a bit more than a Drone's blade.

Any trainer that is metallic will have the capability of busting someone up really bad, up to and including killing them if you hit them right.

Remember, training blades can go in you. It has happened before.



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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.

 

[JH225]

Guy's (and Jody

),

I fully understand the additional leverage gained by the non-live blade, but I have a couple of problems with its use in the field.

First off, my main concern would be that one day a person who is used to using the Gunting will open the blade (kineticly or otherwise) to a Crimpt or Drone in a high stress situation and expect there to be a live blade there without really thinking about it, and wind up going "Oh Sh*t", wrong tool

.

Secondly, some people have said that the drone is used for aiding in pat frisk of subjects to prevent being stuck by a needle,etc. I have frisked THOUSANDS of subjects, and can tell you first hand that if you rely on a piece of steel to find hidden objects in pockets, waistbands, socks, shoes, etc., etc., you will not find many things.

As far as additional leverage goes, I am not talking about eliminating the ramp of the blade, I mean that the tool will be identical to the Crimpt except that the blade does not open. You still have the added leverage over non tool restraints for joint locks, pressure point strikes, etc., etc., you just lose a little extra length of the open blade.

I guess my primary concern is that it is either one or the other, a live blade or a control tool. I am going to have to pick up a Crimpt whenever they become available, and still make up a non opening version and see which will work better. Maybe its just a head game thing, but if I open a knife, there had better be a sharp edge to use.

Any other thoughts are welcomed

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C.O.'s-"It takes balls to work behind the walls "

 

[Jody]

Hi guys........My earlier comment was a lame attempt to be funny.

Anyway...Jailhack. I personally only carry the drone when I am practicing/teaching moves with other students. On the street I ALWAYS carry the live blade Gunting, but I can see why LEO's carry the drones, besides, don't they have guns too? Yes, I would be quite comfortable using only the drone for self defense against an empty handed attacker. If my attacker pulled a blade, I have been trained to deal with it with only the drone.....but I will be honest in that I would much rather have the "live blade" Gunting in my hand when facing a knife wielding attacker....who wouldn't.

Jody

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Keep your chins up and your blades sharp!

 

[jim_l_clifton]

Jail,
LOL! I really enjoy your postings!I"NEVER"LEAVE my place without knowing what I'm carrying!If a person gets in a "OH S***t" SITUATION not realizing it's not a live blade:1)he better hope it's a Crimpit
2)He or she "hopefully" has taken Bram's
INSTRUCTION!
3)DESERVES WHATEVER HAPPENS FOR BEING
CARELESS!
jim

 

[steve22595]

Jailhack,

I wasn't suggesting that the CRMIPT be used to replace your fingers/hands during a search, only as a welcome addition to the mix. With it in your hand it still is easy to pull/pinch clothing using your forefinger and thumb. As a probe it is just easier to turn out pockets and inspect cuffs/waistbands BEFORE continuing with the search of that particular area.

Steve