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mario givens

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Whats everyones problem with jags and rostfrie's?I mean everyone talks about how sucky they are.All my knives seem fine,but i guess the "pins" on everyones jaguars are breaking.I mean I would buy a BM-something,but im not about to spend 100.00 on a damn knife.i don't want to offend anyone,but I don't get it.They only default about my jag is it's too heavy.Thanks-

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Mario Givens
www.angelfire.com/extreme/balisongknives
 
Just buy *one* 42, and if you are not happy with it, I will buy it back from you. You will have no trouble selling it.

All I can say is.. you will never know just how much better a bm is over the jag until you buy one. A jaguar is just a cheap POS copy of a BM/PC. And have you ever even seen a 42 up close or held one in your hands? It's certainly not the most perfect bali BM can make, but it's darn close and well worth $150 (let alone $100).

If you are satisfied with the quality of a jag, then great. For the price of a 42, you can buy 5-6 jaguars of various models. Would you be satisfied then?
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~Howdy

"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much [he] learned in seven years."
-- Mark Twain


[This message has been edited by Cpt. Howdy (edited 01-15-2001).]
 
Hi!

I've had more then a few shares of cheaper bali-songs, broken a lot of'em.
After a while of using the "forks" broke, i guess that i've done this to at least 10 different knives, or the pins would stretch and you've lost that feel that the knife had when new.

Pure fact is that BM balisongs will lose very little in their feeling over time, i have had a BM45S since 1995/1996 and it has been used and dropped A LOT, i had it with me during my two tours in Bosnia, where i had a lot of time to flip'n catch, it still works perfect, very little wobble and no breakage.
Remember that this knife has been flipped very, very much, i'd say that it's as tight now as my Jags was when i got'em brand new.

My Jag that i have used not very much i've already changed pins on and it's quite sloppy/wobbly and the latch won't work at all.
That's the reason why i'd say that Jags suck.
But sure, they are useable, i like how the handles feel, but the quality of BM's balisongs are just something that all balisong flippin' people should experience
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'nuff rambling.

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Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp

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[This message has been edited by 2Sharp (edited 01-15-2001).]
 
Some folks prefer heavier handles. I was initially uncomfortable with the very light handles on the 42. It takes some adjustment. I think Clay even went through about five minutes of adjustment. So, you prefer heavier handles, that's fine.

I have one genuine Charming China Cheapie that's been a favorite fidgetting toy of mine for years. This thing just keeps going. The blade is crap -- not even a letter opener, but the handles are strong and the pins have held up for years. I should have bought a dozen of these things.

Often, people watch me and say, "Oh, I could do all of that stuff if only I had a $500 Benchmade custom or even a $150 BM42." Then, I pull out this cheapie that I paid less than ten dollars for total (It was the first balisong sold on the bladeforums auction site. I determined that I would buy the first balisong offered on the new auction reguardless of price or what it was, and I did) and go back through everything. A balisong doesn't have to cost a fortune to be quite good and durable.

And no, I don't know where you can get one like mine. The tang stamp reads "Made in China".



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
I have had this discussion with my Father-in-law about guns.

He swears by Colts and I like Rugers. The reasons.

To him Colt is the original and all others are copies and not as good, funny thing is he also owns Rugers.

Me, I own Rugers. Why? I can't see paying over $1000 US for a gun that I am going to use in Cowboy action shooting and I may drop it and scratch it.

If I spent 1000 on a gun and dropped it I would cry like a baby.

I feel the same way about knives. If I was going to use a bali for defense then I would probably get a BM or a custom job. Why? Because my life depended on my weapon.

But I dont intend to fight with a bali ( just play with it )so it is hard for me to pay over 100 for a knife just to play with.
Actually I started to make my own, they arent that pretty but they work.

Just a side point, seeing that I can draw a straight knife faster then a bali I prefer them for defense NOT THAT I AM A FIGHTER I would just prefer a straight knife.

Just my 2 cents. Not trying to offend.

Take care
KLnifesmith

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I like throwing knives, they're quiet.
 
What if you like a beginner? You think beginners should get them? I want one, but dont want to ruin it...hehehe. I'll probably get one soon, but I don't think I will be using it much, only for showing off in front of friends or something
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From what I've heard, you should use your BM-42 for flipping becauuse it's meant to be used hard. Everyone here says that their 42's have taken a lot of abuse and are still as good as new.

Another reason to get a 42 is the blade material. Benchmade uses only the best for their blades. A Jag or a China cheapie couldn't hold the edge a BM could.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by little_chaozu:
I want one, but dont want to ruin it...hehe.
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exactly.



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Mario Givens
www.angelfire.com/extreme/balisongknives
 
I have a whole stash of cheapies which I like beating the crap out of. I use them for everything: opening letters, opening boxes, etc..

I know a lot of people are uncomfortable with spending over $100 for a knife (especially a balisong, although I do not mean anything by this; I love balisongs to death), when they can buy one for $12 which they would use for the same purposes. I personally don't own a BM42 yet, although I will eventually get one; promise.

Also, I remember reading on this forum that the Jaguar balis were made from the same dies as the original Benchmades? Can anyone confirm to this?

Knifesmith, give H&K a try...
 
I'd crap a brick if I dropped a HK, heck you'd think the magazines were made of gold as much as they cost.
I like my jags cuz they are heavy, I still can't get used to my 42. It would probably help if I flipped it more and the jag less,
But all my old ones were brass.
What I really want is a ti handled bali with brass inserts and a 5" bowie or Imada high hollow blade. If the maker fastened the scales with screws and dovetailed the ti they would probably never break, and still have lots of flailing power.
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That way it would be heavy and durable all at the same time, and I could always change out the scales for green/black g10 to be tactical/light.


[This message has been edited by loki67 (edited 01-15-2001).]
 
The BM42 is not designed for everyone. It was not made for the casual user who simply wants to flip a bali a couple times once in a while. To spend $100+ on a knife for that purpose is ludicrous. It was designed for the consumer who wanted a quality and long lasting piece that you can be proud of.

As much as I hate to say it, balis are often a passing thing. Once the hype and glamour wear off, they give up on balis.

Don't like the price and can't justify buying it? Fine, but please don't criticize something you've never used.

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Dave

My collection
 
My first balisong was a rostfrei I got from a gun show but after a week I realisied it was a peice of crap so I bought a jag and I diden't like it either. When I had just about given up I herd that the 42 was coming out so I mowed lawns like crazy until I had enough money a week later it came and I diden't regret it a bit, nothing even comes close to a 42!!!
 
You know, I always laugh at guys with their gleaming show-piece guns that they don't dare touch much less fire. All of my H&Ks get fired at least occationally, even the one I call The Big Boy
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. My P7s are carried frequently. I've dropped them many times to prove how safe they are. Several times I've challenged folks with other pieces, "You think that Glock is so great? Fine. Take it out of your pocket and drop it to the ground from six feet. Watch, I'll do it with my P7. What, you're scared? Scared your's will discharge? Scared you might scratch it? Mine's worth three times what your's is and I just dropped mine. Here, I'll do it again. Now, stop telling me how great your Glock is."

H&Ks are like that. They're able to take abuse and they love to be played with.

Benchmade 42s are like that too. They're able to endure real use and they love to be played with.


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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
LOL, I would love to see the look on a glock owner when you pull out a P7 and drop it on the ground. Heck they'd probably crap that brick just as fast if not faster just watching you do it.
 
Personaly I see nothing wrong with the knives made in Taiwan. They do have a handful of problems but I actually like them. My BM is great but I'm very careful with it and so when I just look to play with one I get out one of my Jags or rostfei's. I also like the idea of how many unique designs they come in.

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Things may never get better, but they can always get worse.
 
I'd hardly consider the MP5 as a bigboy, now a HK21 that's more like what I would call big. Speaking of exotic toys maybe a bali with depleated uranium inserts would be heavy enough for me...
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by loki67:
Speaking of exotic toys maybe a bali with depleated uranium inserts would be heavy enough for me...</font>
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Armor piercing inserts? kewl!




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~Howdy

"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much [he] learned in seven years."
-- Mark Twain
 
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