CRK...a real man's tool.

[Cynic2701]

I think perhaps you are overlooking these obvious statements because you don't want to see it. I guess I'm being literal because I cannot see any use of figurative language.

CRK owners are enlightened. Seems pretty straightforward to me. What non-literal message am I missing here?

Wearing tigerstripes = "flamer" Nearly everyone knows that "flamer" is a derogatory term for homosexual, and that does seem to be the intent here. The poster even apologized for the use (much respect for that, by the way). What non-literal message am I missing here?

I'm getting really off-topic (and I foresee this thread getting moved to whine and cheese), but...

I get paid to do textual interpretation, and I've studied both the theory (mind bending stuff by the way) as well as the practical application for several years in grad school.

"CRK owners are enlightened..." Yeah. Okay, the use of "are" (as a synthesizing linguistic structure) operates in this sentence as an analytic judgment claiming universal validity. While the possibility for universal validity cannot be dismissed, the set of properties which are said to be attributes of a CRK owner (enlightenment, awareness, being a thinker, a tinkerer) must be grounded a posteriori, as CRK ownership is made possible in the first place by the apperception of the sensuous intuition. In being grounded in a posteriori reason, the attempt to attain universal objectivity from a ground in the purely subjective elides the logical fallacy inherent within such transcendence. In as much that this is impossible, it becomes clear that such analytic judgments must be made as figurative, rather than as literal statements.

While I certainly do apologize for my wording, there are far too many ways for the following statement to be interpreted: "I mean come on, when dudes wear tiger stripes they are usually called flamers--by the way, I actually do like the stonewashed Striders."

It is clear that I never claim to call "dudes" wearing tiger stripes "flamers"; because the agent of the action (the calling) is contained neither within the sentence, nor the mixed subordinate/coordinate generative structure of the paragraph, in which it is contained, the action of calling occurs passively--some other entity which is neither myself, nor the "dudes" wearing stripes is the agent.

Thus, the wording of my apology: "In no way did I intend to demean, denigrate, or belittle an individual's sexual orientation. I agree with you, however, and feel that perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully." Because I myself was never the agent of calling another individual a "flamer", I cannot be connected with any derogatory connotations which the term may evoke. I apologized because I agree with you: first of all because no one should be denigrated because of their sexual orientation, and second of all because my careless phrasing may have evoked undesired sentiments.

The em-dash, which connects the two otherwise disparate clauses together, and which clearly demarcates the subordination of my liking of stonewashed Striders to the calling of "dudes" who wear tiger stripes "flamers" can denote nothing, save that the subject and predicate of the sentence are hyperbole. Therefore, the non-literal message you are missing is that I am exaggerating the aesthetics of flamed and tiger striped Striders, and am setting it as a trope against which I am comparing the stonewashed Striders.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnyways. I'm sure that no one wanted a lesson in grammatical structures and generative rhetoric, so with that, I am done. I didn't mean to offend anyone, but I'm just trying to clear up any misinterpretations of what I've written that may have occurred.

 

[scouter27]

Cynic, you may not have done "the calling" as you put it, but you cannot believe that by writing it in that way you are fully removed from the statement. The problem is, you are inferring that being homosexual is somehow bad. I did, from the very beginning, understand what you meant. However, I don't like to just overlook statements like that, because it just perpetuates the degradation of the homosexual community. I see it everyday, and it always bothers me. I am guilty of having done it in the past, and I worked to change myself, and now that I have stopped I work to change it in the world.



I see your train of thought interpreting the OP as inherently subjective, but it wasn't stated as an opinion but as an absolute fact. It was implied throughout the post that those who choose the Sebenza over "X" are somehow the better knife-users. Just because the subject is inherently subjective doesn't mean it's always treated that way. Like I said, it's the elitist attitude apparent in the post that bothered me, not any specific words or phrases.


Apologies for handling that out of order, it just seemed to flow better that way.

 

[konigsberg13]

seriously?

 

[phantom357]

Geez Louise, it's only a knife. Some people are gonna like it, some are gonna hate. Such as with most things in the world. It's not that damn serious but I guess it is to some. Oops, did I just hate? My point exactly. Have a great pigskin weekend guys. I know I will.

 

[mqqn]

...<snip>

"CRK owners are enlightened..." Yeah. Okay, the use of "are" <snip>...(as a synthesizing linguistic structure) operates in this sentence as an analytic judgment claiming universal validity.

Interesting. The inadvertent omission of the word "THE" from the OP's actual quote catapult some of your analysis out of the fenestration.

...<snip>...

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnyways. I'm sure that no one wanted a lesson in grammatical structures and generative rhetoric, so with that, I am done. I didn't mean to offend anyone, but I'm just trying to clear up any misinterpretations of what I've written that may have occurred.

Nah - this thread has been funny.

I have a CRK - love it, but in no way feel enlightened by it.

best regards -

mqqn

 

[batosai117]

Elitist???

You are speaking with a Peace Officer, I'm about as humble as it gets. By enlightened I meant exactly what the word means...enlightened. There was nothing elitist about it nor was it implied. When I first obtained a Sebenza I felt ""enlightened" as in "wow, I finally got one and it's just like everyone says and more."

If your issue with my writing was that much of a problem you could have just asked either here or through email/pm. And if it still bothers you then no one is forcing you to read this besides your own curiosity.

This thread was never intended as CRK owners are better than everyone, but merely a thread about how we k ow what we want in a knife and more than likely appreciate and respect a folding knifes limitations.

 

[dragonram7]

I think it is acceptable to have confidence and pride in the Sabenza. It is a great knife. I would also say that Mic makes a good product as well. I don't feel that there are two separate owners. I like both knife companies and would say they are both pretty cool.

 

[scouter27]

Elitist???

Yes.

CRK owners/users are the enlightened ones, the thinkers, the tinkerers, the aware. For those that don't get it, they probably never will.

You say you think before you speak, I can only presume that you do the same before you write. Using "the" as your article here says a lot. The, as it's used here, seems to imply exclusivity.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/the b &#8212;used as a function word to indicate that a following noun or noun equivalent is a unique or a particular member of its class <the President> <the Lord>

The enlightened ones...

That means, since I don't own or use any CRK knives, I am unenlightened, unthinking, un-tinkering (if that's a thing) and unaware.

Elitist.

Being a peace officer does not necessitate that you also be humble. I don' know what it's like where you're from, but here, most so called peace officers are quite arrogant. There are some notable exceptions, but in general, I wouldn't toss humble out there to describe the police in general.

I think it is acceptable to have confidence and pride in the Sabenza. It is a great knife.

Confidence and pride is one thing...

 

[batosai117]

scouter27, there is no pleasing you so I would appreciate if you left my thread and stopped making it out to be something it is not. This is not whine and cheese.

 

[Wharn]

And then there's the wierdos like me who own products from both companies...
What am I supposed to do? Do I berate myself for not getting a "manly" knife only to turn around and snobbishly turn my nose up at myself for buying a "sharpened pry bar"?
Am I going to have to develop multiple personally disorder so I can properly do the damn thing?
Help!!!

Sorry sir there is only one option here. Turn the knives in to me for proper disposal before your condition deteriorates any further.

 

[dragonram7]

As a Peace Officer, I think the pejorative use of humility is in reference to economics rather than personality. After leaving undercover and matriculating to SWAT, I was introduced to CRK knives via an article I was writing for a magazine. My partner and I carried the Sabenza for six months straight. We put both Sabenza's through some fairly extreme tests and consistent use. Agreed, a knife is a tool. It is meant to cut. In a decade of being a LEO, I have had two knife locks fail on me. Both knives were considered to be from quality manufacturers in the industry for military and law enforcement. Both companies replaced the knives without question.

CRK did enlighten me considerably though. I believe there is a difference in the knives. Once I experienced CRK, it made an impression on me. It changed how I view other knives of lesser quality. CRK also changed how I view individuals which do not place a premium on the knives they use and depend on. In a way, that would constitute a prejudice and be considered a form of elitism. I just place a different value on the equipment I use. As a rangemaster and tactical instructor (retired now), I have observed the officers which are into guns and knives generally are more tactically oriented than those who are not. They tend place a higher premium on their equipment. Are they better on the range? In general, yes. I think that has more to do with mindset. That mindset is evident in LEOs and in civilians as well.

 

[Thomason]

This thread has me all confused. Maybe someone could help me out. Which one of theses knives should I carry to make me enlightened, elite, and superior?

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Where do I go to get a Sabenza?

 

[seedsacker]

This thread has me all confused. Maybe someone could help me out. Which one of theses knives should I carry to make me enlightened, elite, and superior?

The french kate hands down. You can cut open your popcorn, pop a beer and sit back to watch this train wreck.

 

[scouter27]

scouter27, there is no pleasing you so I would appreciate if you left my thread and stopped making it out to be something it is not. This is not whine and cheese.

So now my opinion is even invalid here. Thanks!

 

[dragonram7]

For tomorrow carry them all brother.

 

[batosai117]

So now my opinion is even invalid here. Thanks!

Your opinion was welcome until after I explained what I meant by the word "enlightened" and for some reason it wasn't a good enough answer for you and you went back to your original gripe as if you never even read my second post. Now you are telling me, the person who wrote the damn sentence, what I meant when I wrote it and accusing me of being/acting/sounding "Elitist."

The enlightened - englightened by hearing so much about CRK and finally getting one gave me that "enlightened" feeling of, "wow, it really is great and so much more in a folding knife."

The thinkers - typically if you own a $400+ knife you are going to think more before you go hammer it rhough a cinder block or baton with it.

The tinkerers - if you ever own a Sebenza, or any folder, you will learn that after getting the grit and grime on it you will need to clean your knife thoroughly - thankfully CRK folders come with take down tools (or at least are made readily available) and owners are encouraged to take their own knives apart and clean them - thus tinkering the knife.

The aware - If you fulfuill any of the above you are more than likely going to be aware - aware of your knife's limitations, aware of the ins and outs of your tool, etc...

I don't understand why you are making my posts out to be something they are not. You are picking and choosing parts of my posts to try to prove your opinion that I have an "Elitist" attitude.

Furthermore Confidence and Pride are not the same thing. I am confident in my abilities to perform my duties at work, I am confident in the tools that I select so that I may get home safely at the end of the day, I am confident that the work my dad and I did on my truck will help it run great...I am proud of my wife and son, I am proud of anyone that serves this country, I was proud of myself at the point of obtaining a Sebenza because saving money and not leaving my family in a hole over it is difficult for me and my humble profession - money is not in excess unless I work additional off duty jobs. I can be confident in THINGS, but prideful of people.

 

[scouter27]

You're back peddling a little now, and I do see what you intended to convey in your original post.

Regardless, Owning a Sebenza does not make you any of the things you allude to in the OP. When you bought your Sebenza you may have felt "enlightened" but you are not THE enlightened (which is what you posted). Once again, the article "the" implies some level of exclusivity.



I never told you what you meant. I told you what I read. If you meant something other than what I see on the screen, I cannot control that because for some reason the microchip in your brain isn't telling my computer what your intent is.

The simple fact that you ask me to leave when I disagree with your post tells me everything I need to know. And, no, I don't intend to leave until I am ready.

 

[batosai117]

I posted what I posted and it's there for who ever wants to read it, whether it's at face value or how I intended it. You are correct that I cannot convey my thoughts/intent over the interwebs, thus there will be disagreements with my post.

I only asked you to leave because for every post regarding your sentiments you had a retort that was quickly turning this thread into a whine and cheese transfer.

However, I would advise that you should stick around at least try a Sebenza, the flagship folder of CRK, before passing judgement on one mere disagreement/misunderstanding between us.

Time to go find a DWI, it's 2:00 am here and the bars just let out

Take care and God bless, J.

 

[dragonram7]

Be safe