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holdanedge

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hello, again.
i am looking for a less than $200 edc. but, none of them even compare to a sebenza or umfaan! i have one sebenza but never planned on using it. it stays on my coffee table. am i just looking at the wrong stuff, or is crk that darn good? another strange thing, i always hear people here say "i like g10 or carbon fiber better than aluminum handles" because you cannont get a good grip on aluminum. well, crk is titainium as far as i know, and just as slippery as polished aluminum. still, i think it is unanamous, no one would complain about owning a sebenza. i honestly think metal handles is what i like best, g10 and carbon still seem to flex to me.
i don't even wanna say what stores by me have them(crk's), cuz you guys will go hord them before i get my hands on one :)

also, i am now confused about all the metals, should i entirely forget about benchmade? it has been said 154cm is old news..... and bg42,vg10,cmp440v etc. blows it away. << i did not say that, other people did. so please don't start flaming me again! i still can't get over bm's axis lock. i love that.


well, folks.... i got $400 right here in front of me, i am torn between paying my utility bills or running over to the store and getting the sebenza. there must be something else simalar for under $200? maybe not. control control.



have a nice day,
holdanedge.
 
Buy two of these (fifty bucks apiece at 1sks)
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Take the rest here...
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and wait till they threaten to shut off your utilities before you pay your bills
 
rotflmao!!!!!!

erm, i could tell the wife about the knives, but the bordello?


honestly, right now i am thinking about either a benchmade 770(with black coating) or 771. the 770 looks cooler, but will it hold up? does it have liners?
other than that maybe tomorrow i'll just spring for the umfaan with a moon on it. it is $365. i also decided not to be worried about benchmade using 154cm. intrestingly william henry uses 154cm on all his best knives(besides damiscus) and vg10 on the cheaper ones! i wonder why spyderco's $50 knives have vg10? well i am sure 154cm is more expensive than vg10. is it better? i would rather get bg42.
anyways the bm771 is aluminum not titainium. i guess the only way to get a little solid titainium knife is to get a umfaan? anything else like it? seriously, these knives from 1sk are too agressive.
ok, so i look like an imbosile, a week ago i wanted huge military blades. i just came to my senses, i am not going to war. thankfully.




still laughing,
holdanedge.
 
BM's are OK and CM154 is an adequate steel not cutting edge but very capable. I recently bought a 941 with carbon fiber handles and D2 steel. It was a bit over $200. I still say that you can't beat CRK for all around quality and great customer service. Don't let the Sebenza sit on your coffee table! Use it for gods sake (or maybe it's one of the ones that you might return). One of the things that I have done to buy Sebenzas are to order one from CRK and pay $100/month and when it's ready they will send it to you. That makes payment less painful. Lately I've been putting them of my credit cards and now I'm up to my neck in CC debt. I think that I have 6 small Sebenzas and a mnandi. I think at least one Sebenza belongs in every knife collectors collection.:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
If you don't want to spend the cash on a Sebenza, you might want to take a look at a Victorinox Soldier. No, it's not a Sebenza, but for $20 it's one hell of a knife.

Paul
 
I haven't found anything in the sub-200 price range, except for a couple Benchmades. I don't like the Benchmades nearly as much as the Seb, but the AFCK and 710 are good knives. Gotta' love M2 and D2.

Now if you really want to clean your wallet on a good frame lock, check this out. I'm too scared to call Strider for a price!!!

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where'd you get the pic of that strider? looks sweet!
anyways i have my eye on a sebenza with a computer graphic.
short of that, i am looking at the bm-770 and 771. i realize the 770 is more expensive. but, the 770 seems to ME that it is not finished nicely and the corners are not rounded nicely. i guess to make "curves" in carbon fiber you have to file it or something? i am not that impressed with that material, at least not on that knife. the cheaper 771 has a real "scratchy" feal to it. but, that might be good. it will grip when wet. is the carbon fiber stronger than the aluminum? i understand that if you drop aluminum 5 feet onto concrete it will get a big shiny gash. will the carbon fiber chip or break if dropped? over all which is more robust the 770 or 771?. i just wish they used something nicer than 154cm.

well, that is it. i have more or less made my decision. a bm-770 or 771(same knife, bassicly). or a fairly plain sebenza. it would be hands down the sebenza except for the price.
my sebenza that sits on my table has sentimental value to me. that is why it is not used. besides, it is not just a plain sebenza. it has some kind of precious stone inlaid to it. too nice to trashout.




thank you,
holdanedge.
 
get the Bench ;) can't go wrong ,anyway i am still saving
my money for that strider right Buzzbait !:D
 
ok, i decided!!!!
i am getting the bm771 tomorrow!
only remaining question is should i get the bc1 coating or not?

i have been reading a lot, and it helped me make my decision. i originally felt bad about getting 154cm, but then i noticed quite a few $600+ knives that use this metal. it has it's merits. i don't think one metal is better than another. they all have pluses and minuses. unless you are comparing plain 420 to bg42 or something.
i also wish the handle was titainium. although, it(bm771) is more comfortable to me than the small sebenza handle. i am sure the sebenza is a way better knife. but, then i could get four of these benchmades for the price of one small sebenza. i do indeed have other financial obligations right now :)
plus, i have the couple of other larger knives i got last week. hmm. come to think of it, i could have had a sebenza. oh. darn. well, i would rather have 3 or 4 in case i loose one. loosing the sebenza would be a heartbreak. that is precisely why i do not carry the one i have now.


well, thank you guys for all the help you have provided!
i will try not to bother y'all for at least a few days! :)


holdanedge.
 
oh man! i guess the kid at the store didn't want to sell me the 771!
i walked in with cash in hand.... we got to talking and he showed me the demo model 771 and 773. the 771 was all dirty and had shiny spots were the finish wore through. and the 773 had blue scratches all over where the black paint was scuffed. i want it to stay pretty for at least a while! he said those knives were not even used, just handled!
plus the blade on several he took out of the box did not look cut as good as it could be.(probably not repairable by sharpining). the bc1 finish was chipped on some that were brand new. maybe i am just way too critcle?
anyways, if there are other knives the shape/size of the 771 could someone please post models here? is gerber as good as bm? they make some neat carbon fiber ones.



thank you,
holdanedge.
 
First off, if you don't feel you have a quality knife unless you shell out $300 plus, then go ahead and find the most expensive knife you can and buy it. After all if it was expensive, then it must be a good knife right? Hey, if you are just buying another paper weight like your Sebenza, then why do you care what the blade is made of, or how durable the knife is? You have to use it to wear it out. You can get a quality knife from Benchmade or Emerson Knives all for under $200. Are you looking for a pretty knife or a functional knife? Why do you think a knife cannot be a quality knife unless it costs $300 plus? I realize you haven't said that outright, but you did say nothing compares to a Sebenza or Umfaan. Why is that? Is it because they are made with the current "in vogue" metal of today. You mention that BM uses 154cm for their blades and you heard that is old news. Who gives a shi+? It was new news when it came out. Is it no longer any good to use on a knife? Is blade steel like computers? Does it get outdated in a month or two? Are you the kind of person that goes out and buys the newest fastest computer every time one comes out so you can say you have the "best"? From what it sounds, you are more interested in the bragging rights than actually using your knife. If you are worried about the finish on the blade, don't get the BC 1 or BT coatings because they wear off when the knife is actually used for what it is intended. I read your other post where you went to the store and whipped out the plastic for 13 knives that you knew you would return. I should ask, did you actually expect the $15 LST to even come close to a custom knife in build quality?? I personally have carried Gerbers, Benchmades, and now an Emerson Mini Commander. I can tell you they are all excellent knives when used for their intended purpose. It doesn't matter what metal your blade is made out of, it will dull with use, and you will need to know how to sharpen it then. I also read how you had a bad experience with one online purchase that has made you not want to buy online. Well, all I can say is that when you get done shelling out MSRP for whatever knive you decide on. Don't do any price checks online, because what you find might turn your stomach. BTW, my Emerson was bought online for $110 and I got it in 2 days. Retail price was $169.00. You could buy your knife and still have enough to pay that light bill. Oh, and BTW BM and Emerson both have titanium liners, and my Emerson Mini Commander is the fastest knife out of the pocket that I have ever owned. That is what matters to me, not how much I paid for it, or what the blade is made out of. It is sharp, sturdy, smoothe as silk, and did I mention fast? That is what an EDC knife is supposed to be IMHO.

Mike
 
medic1210, point well taken. i actually feal the same way, i just don't like to admit it. i have my eye on a crkt s-2 right now. online even! 52 bucks. i never wanted a crkt because of "what people would think" but, who really cares? on the other hand i have seen a lot of $125+ knives that had quality issues. so i'd rather spend $50 to get one thats not perfect than over $100. besides, any knife that i actually use (which i will) is going to look used. my 20+ year old swiss army looks terrible. the blade is not in great condition anymore(multiple chips). but, even it, still works.
i guess the real truth is that i expect an expensive knife to bring me some sort of ultimate happiness. i really doubt it will. so i might as well just get a $50 crkt and cut stuff with it. after all, that is what knives are for, right? for a knife i actually use i just want it to cut boxes and rope and letters. i don't really think about the knife itself, as long as it does those tasks. on the other hand there is no reason for me to get another knife that costs over $100, simply put, i won't use it. i don't like expensive tools. they show wear. i do not mind expensive collectors items, however.
i suppose most of you think i am a fool. hopefully at least someone can understand where i am coming from.

so right now i am looking at the camillus edc in 154cm, or the crkt s-2. those seem to me to be great knives, and the low price (yes,online)makes me actually want to use them.
buzzbait, if you are around, is that strider really expensive? where did you get the picture from? it looks real cool.




thank you,
holdanedge.
 
I wouldn't say it's bragging rights on how expensive these knives are, but my first Sebenza was free, won it in a contest here, and my latest was $200, second-hand from another forumite. You don't have to empty your wallet to get good knives -- just if you want to get A LOT of good knives !! :)
 
I found the pics in the Strider forum here on Bladeforums. Gorgeous knife, but I have no idea what the price will be. And I’m afraid to ask……

On the issue of “beaters” versus “safe queens”, people have different perspectives on the issue. Some people can’t get past scratching an expensive knife. I can almost understand that with certain knife materials that are not very sturdy or wear resistant. That’s why I don’t have any of that blued Damascus or mother of pearl. I’m not really a collector, so I primarily focus on utility value. The only time I don’t look directly at utility value is when I have to consider what other people will think when I’m carrying and using a knife. My around the town fixed blades often have some cosmetic enhancements, such as stag scales or tooled sheaths. I make them as pretty as possible, with as few functional drawbacks as possible. It’s a real tightrope to walk on sometimes, but can be done successfully with a little research and help.

I will say that I always find it a shame when somebody puts a functionally superior knife in a safe. It’s such a waste; and if you ask me, a great disservice to the maker. If the maker had intended the piece to be displayed only, he would have sunk the money into the aesthetics, not the functionality. A good utility knife does not realize its destiny until it is carried and used.

Holdanedge – You have a functionally superior knife in your possession. Use that baby!!! If you can’t get yourself to do it (which I really do understand), sell it and get a plain Sebenza along with an Atwood PryBaby Mini. They’re an awesome combo, and the PryBaby will help insure that you don’t go pulling a bonehead maneuver with your Seb. Those “oops” days happen to the best of us. You’ll lose that five minutes you stare at the decorated Seb every day, but you’ll gain 10 hours of confidence inspiring carry and a maximum of tool efficiency. Go for the most enjoyment you can get out of your wallet.
 
thanks for reply buzzbait.
mr. strider that knife is wonderfull!
unfortunatly, i just can't bring myself to use a knife that expensive.
i would certainly collect it, but not use it. see knives are different than say expensive pens or watches in my opinion. if you wear an expensive watch, sure it will show wear. but, not much wear. a knife by it's very nature gets tortured, by me at least. once again, my swiss army that is 20+ years old can't even be sharpened anymore, there is practically no blade left. i wish i could find another one of those(for sentimental reasons). it only has one 2 3/4 blade an electricians blade(can opener) and a philips screwdriver. plus slots for a toothpick and tweezers. it was i think $6 in the late 70's or early 80's. anyone seen one? speaking of sentimental, if i had a plane sebenza just sitting here, i would probably use it. it is not even that mine is decorated. it is because it was left to me by a friend that was killed. it wouldn't be right to use it. even though he probably would have wanted me to.
i still think my favorite knife is the bm771. unfortunatly i am not fond of how it looks if you actually use it(shows a lot of wear). if i was going to choose a crkt s-2 or a camillus edc(154cm) which one?
those seem really nice and are super cheap. i can't think of anything elese that nice, that size and that cheap! can you guys?
ahh shucks, i oughta just drive up to the bunny ranch!





thank you,
holdanedge.




p.s. i really apprecitate how patient everyone here has been with me. i can be trying on the nerves.
 
Ah, sentimental value. That I can understand.

If you have a small/medium sized hand, the EDC is extraordinary. The talonite version and the A.G. Russell D2 version are remarkable for the price. Awesome ergonomics if you don’t have Paul Bunyan sized meat hooks. My talonite EDC is about the only tactical that competes for pocket carry with my Seb.

I don’t have an S2. I tried one at a store once, and wasn’t all that impressed. Much of that may have been a matter of personal preference though. CRKT makes some good stuff for the price.
 
actually, the crkt is a great for people that got it for less than $50. i have heard that the quality could be hit or miss. you have to be lucky to get a good one. that is maybe one thing that factors in too a more expensive knife, quality control. i can't seem to find one for less than $50 right now, so it might not be worth the gamble. the local crkt rep. told me that knife never sold at it's original price because the quality didn't warrant that price. the camillus edc may or may not fit my very large hand. intrestingly the bm771 fits me better than the 556. i think the 556 is more robust, though. the salesman at the store said his cuda edc is made of ats-34. he assured me of this. i didn't think they were ever made out of ats-34? the model number on the box is for the one that is 420. which i do not want if i could get 154cm for the same price.
also, i seem to have seen a knife with handle that was almost exactly the same shape as mr. striders, i can't remember what it was. maybe it was another strider? anyone know?
and one last thing! anyone know if i can still get a victorinix like the one i described above?





thank you,
holdanedge.
 
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