CRK&T Production KFF?

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sing

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Just saw the Moteng ad in Blade showing a drawing of CRK&T Kasper Folding Fighter. What's the low down. Is this already produced, or planned for production. Materials, dimensions... anyone know?

sing

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Hi Sing
I saw that also and am wondering the same thing.It would appear that CRK&T is becoming a big player in the knife game compared to a couple of years ago.When they do hit the market you will have to write an in depth review comparing the CRK&T to the real thing that you have.
Bob
 
I just called CRK&T (800-891-3100) and was told the Point Guard and KFF will be available mid to late February. They have a new catalog that has pictures of these knives. Call the number above and they will send you a catalog for free. They also told me the following:
Point Guard small (2 3/4 inch blade)$44.95
Point Guard large (3 1/2 inch blade)$49.95

KFF small (3 inch blade)$54.95
KFF large (3.8 inch blade)$59.95
All prices are retail. AUS-6M blade steel and Zytel handles. Based on CRK&T quality of their other knives, I can't wait to get these!!!

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Definately a must have item. I would like to see them use at least AUS-8 like on the M-16 series. CRK&T makes great knives for the money.

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Dennis Bible
 
If the quality is similar to their recent collaborations, they will have a few winners for sure. But only zytel handles? Shucks!! But the retail seems very reasonable. We' ll see...

L8r,
Nakano

Hey Sing, thinking of rounding/ blunting the blade to use as a trainer?
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Dudes...if those prices are right, well then, I guess I'll be buying several!
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Although the zytel handles are kinda of a bummer.
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We need to start a CRKT forum so we can complain about the Zytel handle. What kind of lock was on the knife, liner lock? I don't even have the CRKT M-16 yet. The CRKT KFF sounds like the perfect beater/user. Can't wait.
 
I really would love to see crk&t represented here. I was all set two stock these knives but when I saw zytel and Aus6 that changed all that. Aus 6 is not good enough in this market anymore for that price. It should be at least Aus 8 or something better. The choice they have made will cost them a lot of sales in my view. When say an Endura in ats 55 sells for the same amount as their large KFF does. Come on CRK&T! You can do better. We know you can. You already have with the Carson.


Regards,

Tom Carey
 
AUS6 would definitely be a bummer of a steel. I would think if you're going to take good designs like the KFF and the Pointguard, you would use some decent materials like maybe Aus8 and Aluminum scales.

But, for the price, heck, I'll buy a CRK&T KFF, grind the the edge and point and use it for a "trainer." Thanks for the idea, Nakano. Not quite on par with Axel Yup's Crawford produced trainer, but it'll fine pocketbook wise.

sing

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I just got the new Blade Trade magazine and CRK&T is coming out with some great knives!! Crawford Point Guard and Kasper Folder both have the Lake and Walker lock security on the liner locks. Greg Lightfoot Urban Shark with AUS-6M and grey Zytel. New Hammond Navajo with Z60CDV14 Stainless, and Mirage Titanium with ACUTO 440 Stainless. Large Sampson KISS AUS-6M, and a New M16 with Carbon Fibre handles and the ACUTO 440 Stainless blade, and a new S-2? Never heard of the new Stainless steels they are using, have any of you??

I emailed CRK&T and asked them to post some pictures of these new blades here or at their new website www.crkt.com
hope the do soon!!
 
This AUS6M as the steel of choice for these two great designs (Point Guard and KFF) is quite the bummer!
Designs like these are truly deserving of a decent steel, the very least of which should be AUS8A at Rc57-59. 6M is hardened at Rc55-57, generally, so I think this is hardly a suitable steel for these folders.
Good Grief CRKT, spring for some decent blade steel, for cryin' out loud!
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There just seems to be so much potential for these knives that, IMO, is going to go to waste by using this inferior steel in the blades.
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Geez... 440C is dirt cheap compared to a lot of cutlery steel, but it is still a great steel. CRKT should look into this as an option for these two knives. So, jack the retail up a couple of bucks. I'll bet people will still go for'em, they're great designs! They deserve a better blade steel IMO.

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If it's stupid but works, then it isn't stupid!
 
Oh, there is no doubt that they will sell off the shelves in a hurry, But my problem is they are not being built up to their potential.
For an extra $5-6.00, don't you think bumping up the blade steel to at least AUS8A or 440c would be worth the extra cost?
I'd be camping out at the knife store if that were the case, but as it stands, I'm underimpressed with these knives.
My problem is with the AUS6M steel. It bites, IMO. I have butterknives that hold a better edge.
I've eliminated the CRKT knives in my collection that have this steel, with the admonition to the new owners that they don't hold an edge very well and good luck.
I guess I'm just hoping for a little more from CRKT. There is real potential in this company and I think they are not living up to that potential. Just my opinion...

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If it's stupid but works, then it isn't stupid!
 
I agree wholeheartedly. While I am sure they will be big sellers for CRK&T, I think they could have made a better quality knife for not much more. They should at least make them up to par with the M-16 series. I know that they are trying to make a quality product at an economical price, but I would like to see them make some knives that were a step above in quality. I will probably buy one anyway, but I am nonetheless disappointed.
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Dennis Bible
 
That's what I don't get. CRK&T is willing to use better materials for the Carson design, as they should. Why not with the Crawfords? These would certainly do as well if not better than their inhouse Apaches which uses ATS34 and aluminum handles. At one point, I had three Apaches and gave them all away...

sing

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Am I missing something? This is a link for Knifecenter http://www.knifecenter.com/news/

Says here that the handle is G10 ?? Lets hope anyway. I could live with the steel more than I can with a zytel handle!




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~Keith~
"War to the knife and knife to the hilt"

 
Some of you are saying that you don't like the materials they are using to make these knives but are willing to buy them anyway. CRKT will not change the design because of the fact that you will still but the subpar offering.

The M16 series has spoiled me and I will not buy the Crawford design unless it is at least equal to the M16.

My $.02 worth.
 
I know I may get slammed for this, but...

I've had no problems with any of my CRKT knives. And while I would definitely prefer AUS-8A as their "base" steel, the AUS-6M is not exactly crap. Hopefully in the future they will upgrade.
I think we are all forgetting that just ten or more years ago AUS-6M or the like would have been considered excellent. It's not top of the line now at all, but come on. You will not get a knife with G-10 handles, 440-V blades, and titanium liners at below $60. msrp.
Also, IMO the way CRKT uses Zytel is not bad at all. Maybe in future they can have more expensive options, but for everyday work knives, their solid Zytel scales hold up very well...perhaps not the prettiest aesthetically, but certainly functional, esp. at that price point.
At least their knife blades are not 420-J2, which seems to make fine locking liners, but not necessarily blades. (though there are some who get by fine with it as a blade steel).
I, for one, will continue to have an interest in their products. Perhaps if they can get a forum here, we can give suggestions and receive instant public feedback. There are some improvements I'd like to see, but let's get real here. They are a VERY NEW company, and in just a couple of years they've improved nearly a 100 percent. They are still just in their early stages, and yet they are putting out a high-quality product at such low prices. They should be commended for that, at least.

So instead of just writing them off, as some seem to be ready to do, perhaps we should find a way to contact them with realistic and helpful suggestions, like a few have given here.
Jim
 
I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with.

sing, that's not a bad idea for a trainer. I did the same thing with an AFCK. One warning, if you plan to use it for impact training remember that the blade will still be thin even if dulled. I put a hole in my heavy bag with the dulled AFCK. I bought a thick leather piece to wrap around the bag to prevent that from happening again.

Axel
 
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