CRKT M21-14 / Buck Strider 880 / BM710D2?

Not all Bucks are the same - and thanks to all who specifically mentioned the better grades as examples. My 887 has been the original version of Chinese YinYan - the Strider design elements are great, purposeful, and if you don't like them, tough on you. The Buck value engineering for a target price - well, how many of you drive a VW with a Rolls grille? The liner lock does not have an optimum performance window. The liner is thin, short, and has too short of an arc. It is easily pressured to unlock - mine was replaced for this reason. It could be done with hand pressure. The replacement will not pass a spinewhack. I bet a real Strider will damage whatever you spinewhack it on.
I have CRKT's with LAWKS and like them, and I like the whole concept of LAWKS, auto or otherwise, but , the existence of the safety on the knife admits the lock alone could fail. It's my belief a BM with an Axis lock - I don't own one - is less likely to fail, as the pressure on the blade does not ramp the lock out of the notch.

I'll stop repeating myself and make the point: short, cheap linerlock designs are just that. Let Darwinian marketing take its toll.
 
hahahaha the liner lock in teh 880 is titanium and is the size of some smaller frame locks, it does not fail spinewhack tests. i've tried and its not gona happen. if you had ever handled a 880 you would know its not a regular liner lock.
 
It was specifically asked Buck Strider 880. This is the first Bck Strider when they do not intentionally damage design by serration or cheap plastic handles as for 882 etc...

I guess 880 and 888 were too good so they easy overcompete Strider itself even with ATS34 vs CPM-S30V - production quality was same or better, performance similar and at some application even better and it beat Strider price fou times. So 880 is the example of what Buck capable to if Buck want to make good knife.

This success was the reason of all troubles between Strider and Buck I think - who need $400 Strider if for $100 you can buy Buck-Strider with same quality and performance (I am talking about 880 and 888). At least it was my desidion. The next model Buck made had something wrong - serration or plastic handle and now 420 steel.

My suggestion is - get 880 (and 888 as well) until it is too late. Who knows when Buck will have top designer to make knife for them and will do another top line folder with premium materials.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Dog of War, I agree on the flipper. I don't use it and it's so large that it get's in the way and just rubs things raw.

I also agree that fixed blades have much more utility than folders when you're in the field. Sometimes my "folder" requirement is satisfied with little more than a Swiss Army Knife.
 
the buck strider is ats-34. and it would cut the crkt in half, heck it could quarter it with little hassle
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hahahaha the liner lock in teh 880 is titanium and is the size of some smaller frame locks, it does not fail spinewhack tests. i've tried and its not gona happen. if you had ever handled a 880 you would know its not a regular liner lock.
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Wow, the crap is getting so deep in here I might have to put on my hip-waders.

I would recommend the 710 out of the three you've listed.
The Axis-lock is fantastic and the 710 is plenty strong enough for anything you would use a folder for.
In my humble opinion, the 710 is probably Benchmade's very best knife currently in production.

Good luck,
Allen.
 
allenC said:
Wow, the crap is getting so deep in here I might have to put on my hip-waders.

Good luck,
Allen.
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???

Honestly, 880 is twice thicker then 710. Now he particulary asked for prying. Can you really say that 710 is better for prying then 880? Common, it is very good knive, and I agreed that it is probably best BM for now, but it is for slicing and does it has phosfat bronze washers as 880? 880 stronger and nobody can do anything about it. And for prying it is way ahead on 710.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
yes, the 710 does use bronze wahsers. You will not find a smoother knife period.

I would tend to agree though, that if the inteneded use is prying, go with the Buck.

I am not sure what Allenc was calling BS on either, everything that he quoted is true as far as I can tell, aside from the cutting the crkt in half comment, which was obviously hyperbole.
 
Vassili,
I was referring to the notion that the Buck Strider's ATS-34 could quarter the CRKT.

And to the notion that the 880 cannot fail a spine-whack test.
When it comes to liner-locks, you will never know if one will pass the spine-whack test until you actually whack it.
It has nothing to do with the thickness of the liners--it is all about the geometry of how the blade-tang and locking liner mate-up.

I also cannot recommend prying with many liner-locks or frame-locks.
If one prys with a knife, it is often difficult to avoid twisting and torqueing the blade.
Some Liner-locks and frame-locks can "unlock" if twisted the wrong way.
 
TACMAN said:
I use my knives for cutting and a small pry bar for prying,
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I am wondering why people are still recommending knives based on their ability to be marginal prybars that fold in half, are full of holes, and had a bunch of metal removed for the purpose of cutting and not prying.
 
My 880 is a tough customer, also look at the Rukus 610. Diggin' my Rukus as well.
 
If we are getting into "prying stuff" lets forget all three of these knives and just get a large Leatherman. Prying and cutting are two different jobs. Folding knives are not made for that.

Any of the ones mentioned are popular and proven cutters so it really will not make a bit of difference which you get. I like them all and would have no hesitation to use any of them. But for "prying" I'll take my Leatherman multitool.


http://www.leatherman.com/products/tools/default.asp
 
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