CS Talwar Folder

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Just got mine. It is a hefty knife for sure. It will not flick open njo matter how forceful I get with it. A good bath in lubricant did very little. Loosening the screw did nothing either? The wave button allows one to puch the knife open like on a thumbstud BUT the edge of this wave type device really hurtys your hand for two reasons: one it has an edge and two the blade requires a lot of force to get it open.
The wave device works excellent. I have in recent years found the emerson production knives to be wanting in that they do not wave like the ones from four or so years ago. The Spyderco endura waves great, better than Talwar and Emerson.
The knife is really shiny, not tactically correct. The blade could be used for a signal mirror in the country. It has a nice solid ball on handle to strike with which is nice BUT the darn thing is shiny and really draws an eye towards your pocket, not good. The knife makes for a hefty kubotan but I never thought it wise to use a deadly weapon (knife) as a non-deadly weapon. Damaging someone with a stick of wood or plastic is one thing, but damage someone with a deadly force weapon like a knife even though in closed position and you are really tempting and baiting a prosecutor. Prosecutors and judges have long since gone wacko on the use of weapons by law abiding citizens, makes one wonder what their agenda really is but best not to give them any room to come after you.
The knife is so sharp the word pocket sword comes to mind. The blade design is superb for a tactical self defense knife. The appaerance of the knife is frightening which can be good and also bad, think prosecutor. This knife would play real bad in court. Look at this and look at a nice cheap Spyderco Endura and you will get the idea.
A word on Cold Steel. I have been using CS products for over 15 years and have had much of the knives and other products. Dollar for dollar you get a whole lot of bang for your buck with them. I have bought a few thousand dollars of custom knives and have been overall disappointed with them with one exception which was a Pat Crawfor folder I bought from him in person at a show. it was pricey but real real good. I have had custom folder sbreak. I have felt them to be of poor quality control. They have been sloppy etc. The non-folders of course are of a lot better quality than the custom folders. Does this mean theya re all bad, no. Another point in price. ever lose a mont blanc pen because it fell out of your pocket when you were doing something? Get the point, no pun intended.
Now comes blade steel. The custom guys cry out how good their steel is, so what the production guys also use great steel.
What I do to see how a knife will fight is get some strong 1 1/2 inch or 2 inch cardboard shipping tubes. Prop them up and really smash into them with the knife. Now you better know your way around knives before you try this. The knife lock may break, the knife may fly out of your hand, you may cut through right into your leg, etc. Be careful, wear some sort of glasses or goggles - a cut on the scalp is one thing, a projectile in the eye is another matter. What you will soon see is this is a test like hitting bone in an encounter. You wills ee how your knife reacts to the shock. The lighter knives with the thin plastoic handles jolt so much they want to come out of your hand. They even pass this jolt and shock on and it smarts a bit in your hand. I am out of tubing but I know from past experience the talwar will excel here.
Now comes the cld steel tests. Theya re real. The custom makers can not get their knives to pass these tests, a reality. So we have to look at cold steel and give them credit where credit is due.
Now comes the knife dealers. CS is awful for them. CS sells direct, has special projects, lets dealer price sell on the internet, ebay etc and in general is a dealers nightmare. CS does what is good for CS. So expect the dealers to hate them and bad mouth them freely.
Talwar folder is a high end knife for CS. They now have several with their laminated San Mai blades. They are capturing those who might go into the custome arena, but I think they are more or less just selling to their clients who can afford an upscale knife.
Sharpie- CS makes a great kubotan marker pen called Sharpie. It is about $7.95 on the net and works as a marker and is non metallic. The thing is a fiberglass product, hefty, sturdy, thick and great. Looks passive. One might do well to rub off the words sharpie if traveling on planes thus rendering the item indistinguishable from a regular marker.
The CS Kubotans are great. Sturdy, light, etc all for under $10. The Sjambok is a synthetic and thus the use of the name is fairly aggressive but they work. Use one as a belt, non metallic. Run it in a strap for a laptop case etc. Cheap and effective. They even make unbrekable baseball bats. Get their name off it and you are good to go especially with a glove and ball sitting next to it. Then comes their sword canes for $100 or so. Throwing projectiles that stick, swords that cut with high carbon steel, kukris, bowies etc.
I had some Randalls. They are not really a custom knife. They are good. They balance better than a CS product by and large. They are also hard to obtain, excessively over priced unless you wait a few years to get one from Randall and they handles can ruin the knife. A Randall #1 is a great fighter. Light, balanced etc and when you get the cheapie with the leather washers it grips really good. Get with with some birds eye wood and she what a ahrd to grip useless fighting knife it becomes becuase when your hand is wet, sweaty, bloody etc you can't hang on to it. If I could just open a catalogh or website like with CS and order the blades of choice from Randall they are the only straight knives I would buy. I never seem to get exactly what I want with them, so it is great knife but more so in theory to me.
If you want a user knife don't sell CS short. Lynn Thompson knows what he is doing. Sometimes he succumbs to the economics of the trade but so would anyone else. Thier stuff is good for the money for sure and so is the Talwar as long as you rely on the wave to get it open.
If anyone can tell me how to make this Talwar open easier would be much appreciated.
 
Actually the ball sticks out of the pocket the way it is designed so no worries. It pulls out of pocket most excellent and waves readily, better than the emersons I have.
 
I have always likes the looks of that knife and if I spent that much on a folder that is probably what I would get.
 
I have nothing against cold steel have one of their voyagers but that knife is WAY overpriced in my opinion. Might would consider it for $100 but not for much more than that.I can get a Busse AK 47 Sword for less than what they want for that little knife.
 
The Talwar folder is one {Hot} looking knife, imho!
It does look kinda Scary, but don't all knives, particularly the fighting type?
If I'm going to spend this much on a fighting knife, than this IS the one to buy for me!!
And, it better look appealing to the eyes as well! :)
$100 does not buy you much in quality(unless you do buy from COLDSTEEL) I.E Voyager, Vaquero Series to name a couple.

Remember the price you see on COLDSTEEL's Webpage is much Higher than you would pay from one of their dealers. Up to 50% Higher.

I'm No Knive Expert But, The COLDSTEEL DVD speak for themselves and make their products worthy for consideration. How many other 'Makers' will do the same for you?

Just like Firearms, the price for knives vary and so does quality, so do the research--and I guess thats why we are here discussing this subject.

The San Mai lll VG-1 Steel is the best you can get for a quality fight knive like the Talwar, Black Talon and Black Sable according to COLDSTEEL Test Results.

So, imho, I would consider purchasing this knife for $300. otherwise I would just stick with my SCIMITAR.

PPD
 
The Talwar folder is one {Hot} looking knife, imho!
It does look kinda Scary, but don't all knives, particularly the fighting type?
If I'm going to spend this much on a fighting knife, than this IS the one to buy for me!!
And, it better look appealing to the eyes as well! :)
$100 does not buy you much in quality(unless you do buy from COLDSTEEL) I.E Voyager, Vaquero Series to name a couple.

Remember the price you see on COLDSTEEL's Webpage is much Higher than you would pay from one of their dealers. Up to 50% Higher.

I'm No Knive Expert But, The COLDSTEEL DVD speak for themselves and make their products worthy for consideration. How many other 'Makers' will do the same for you?

Just like Firearms, the price for knives vary and so does quality, so do the research--and I guess thats why we are here discussing this subject.

The San Mai lll VG-1 Steel is the best you can get for a quality fight knive like the Talwar, Black Talon and Black Sable according to COLDSTEEL Test Results.

So, imho, I would consider purchasing this knife for $300. otherwise I would just stick with my SCIMITAR.

PPD

Ummm...do more research. :thumbup:
 
Second what dpimpc said.

$100 does not buy you much in quality(unless you do buy from COLDSTEEL) I.E Voyager, Vaquero Series to name a couple.

Actually, there're a good number of companies that do so, in the folding range you have Spyderco, Benchmade and Kershaw among others.

The San Mai lll VG-1 Steel is the best you can get for a quality fight knive like the Talwar, Black Talon and Black Sable according to COLDSTEEL Test Results.

Got any unbiased studies to back it up?

And what's with the thread necromancy?
 
Now comes the cld steel tests. Theya re real. The custom makers can not get their knives to pass these tests, a reality. So we have to look at cold steel and give them credit where credit is due.

LOL! I love it! You've undoubtedly talked to every custom (and production) maker out there, right? I mean, you wouldn't just repeat what you heard in a Cold Steel DVD and repeat it here, right?:rolleyes:

Now comes the knife dealers. CS is awful for them. CS sells direct, has special projects, lets dealer price sell on the internet, ebay etc and in general is a dealers nightmare. CS does what is good for CS. So expect the dealers to hate them and bad mouth them freely.
Oh, is it only the dealers who do that?:confused:

Sharpie- CS makes a great kubotan marker pen called Sharpie. It is about $7.95 on the net and works as a marker and is non metallic. The thing is a fiberglass product, hefty, sturdy, thick and great. Looks passive. One might do well to rub off the words sharpie if traveling on planes thus rendering the item indistinguishable from a regular marker.
If it has the name "Sharpie" on it, then yes, it would be "indistiguishable from a regular marker," as "Sharpie" makes the "regular marker." Cold Steel, on the other hand, markets the "Sharkie." When trying to entice people by hyping up a product, one might want to get the name of the product one is hyping correct, lest one of the hypees go out and purchase the "regular marker" instead of the actual one being hyped.;)

The CS Kubotans are great. Sturdy, light, etc all for under $10. The Sjambok is a synthetic and thus the use of the name is fairly aggressive but they work. Use one as a belt, non metallic. Run it in a strap for a laptop case etc. Cheap and effective. They even make unbrekable baseball bats. Get their name off it and you are good to go especially with a glove and ball sitting next to it. Then comes their sword canes for $100 or so. Throwing projectiles that stick, swords that cut with high carbon steel, kukris, bowies etc.
I had some Randalls. They are not really a custom knife. They are good. They balance better than a CS product by and large. They are also hard to obtain, excessively over priced unless you wait a few years to get one from Randall and they handles can ruin the knife. A Randall #1 is a great fighter. Light, balanced etc and when you get the cheapie with the leather washers it grips really good. Get with with some birds eye wood and she what a ahrd to grip useless fighting knife it becomes becuase when your hand is wet, sweaty, bloody etc you can't hang on to it. If I could just open a catalogh or website like with CS and order the blades of choice from Randall they are the only straight knives I would buy. I never seem to get exactly what I want with them, so it is great knife but more so in theory to me.
If you want a user knife don't sell CS short. Lynn Thompson knows what he is doing. Sometimes he succumbs to the economics of the trade but so would anyone else. Thier stuff is good for the money for sure and so is the Talwar as long as you rely on the wave to get it open.

I'd like to thank you for your review of this ONE knife, as your title indicated. What I mean to say is, thank you for offering a review on the knife at hand and not trying to hype an ENTIRE BRAND with obvious repitition of AD COPY.:rolleyes:

If anyone can tell me how to make this Talwar open easier would be much appreciated.

How about repeatedly stabbing it into one of those cardboard mailing tubes as you had suggested? That might loosen up the action some.:D

Regards,
3G
 
The Talwar folder is one {Hot} looking knife, imho!
It does look kinda Scary, but don't all knives, particularly the fighting type?
If I'm going to spend this much on a fighting knife, than this IS the one to buy for me!!
Good. Buy it then.

And, it better look appealing to the eyes as well! :)
$100 does not buy you much in quality(unless you do buy from COLDSTEEL) I.E Voyager, Vaquero Series to name a couple.
Yeah, you're right, I mean, for $100, it's not like I could buy a dozen Opinels, a dozen Moras, four or five Ka-Bar Doziers, three or four Buck knives, or a couple of Spydercos or Kershaws. Heck, $100 is only worth something if it's a Cold Steel (two words, not one).:jerkit:

Remember the price you see on COLDSTEEL's Webpage is much Higher than you would pay from one of their dealers. Up to 50% Higher.
When did this become the SPAM forum?:confused:

I'm No Knive Expert
You don't say?:D

The San Mai lll VG-1 Steel is the best you can get for a quality fight knive like the Talwar, Black Talon and Black Sable according to COLDSTEEL Test Results.
And who am I to doubt anything they have to say?:p

Regards,
3G
 
Have not been back to this thread in a while, but it seems some people got their feelings hurt...I guess that the fault of the education system,hehe

And it looks as though some have 'read' more into the post than I try to communicate...maybe it was my writingLOL

Anyways, I got a good chuckle...Peace brothers! :)

Ps. "Regards", who says that anymore besides all the spam I receive in my 'Junk' emails...LOL
 
Have not been back to this thread in a while, but it seems some people got their feelings hurt...I guess that the fault of the education system,hehe
Let me guess, you were away for the last two weeks thinking up your witty retort.:rolleyes:
And it looks as though some have 'read' more into the post than I try to communicate...maybe it was my writingLOL
Speaking of your "writing," where did you learn to do it? You mock "the education system," yet, looking at your "writing," you no doubt could benefit from going through it. Remember, it's never to late.;)

Ps. "Regards", who says that anymore besides all the spam I receive in my 'Junk' emails...LOL
That's funny, you of all people making a joke about "spam." Keep up the good work!:D:thumbup:

Regards,
3G
 
And absolutely no response to either 3G's questions or my own!

Of course not. You weren't expecting any answers from him, were you? I mean, it took him a whole 18 days to come up with his cute little retort. Imagine how much longer it'll take him to find some unbiased reports showing that Cold Steel knives beat every single other knife ever made. ;):D

Regards,
3G
 
my first knife was a vg-1 voyager tanto. I thought it was the shiznit, until I bought a spyderco. The Talwar looks drool-worthy but for the price (like 400$?) I don't think I Will buy it unless I get a big bonus or anything. I could buy 3 Militaries or 3 Manixes etc with better steel, just as strong a lock, and more practical use.

Heck I could buy a Military in S30V, D2, and BG-42 or S90V (sprint runs).

Oh wait, I already did. :D

To be honest I think the steel ball looks a little silly, anyone?
 
PPD,

Check out www.knifetests.com.

The Cold Steel knives tested don't stand up against or are equal to the other knives. And none of the knives that hold up equally or better have the same marketing as the CS products. Just because other companies don't break their knives on videos for marketing purposes, doesn't mean Cold Steel is the best.
 
I guess I might as well chime in here. I just picked up a Hatamoto folder. Superbly built and executed. Has SanMai III steel, which I don't know what that is, but it is definetly sharp and seems to stay that way. I traded a CQC12 BT PE for it and I am happy I did. For me the Hatamoto is a better buy and a better knife. Your opinion may differ but that is what makes the world go round. I have a Jones Brother folder which is a pretty high end custom and the Hatamoto stacks up well against it for ease of opening and sharpness. Obviously on the custom the attention to detail is better but you would be picking nits to just size them up. Now I am not saying it is better than the Responder by any means but you are talking several hundred dollars vs two hundred and for that it stacks up very well.

I also own the Voyager series and hands down as compared to the Endura I think the Voyagers are better knives. Stronger lock and much bigger knives if you are talking the Lg and Xlg. of which I own both. Don't care for the tanto points but I do like the clip points. I think the serrations on the Spyderco's are better though, but plain edge to plain edge I think with the CS being ground as thin as they are they are just sharper and easier to get that way. I also own a Trailmaster and 2 Recon Scouts and an original Master Hunter I have used since they came out in the 80's me thinks. Not positive but the knife is one of the older hunters I have and it is the one I use the most. Also I am comparing it to some nice hunting knives I have. CUstom and production, none better than the MH. Its great ergonomically and stays sharp for a very long time. I was told when I bought it from CS that it was 01 steel. This is what I belive the original MH's were made of.

Now if you cats are talking CS advertising that is another thing altogether. Don't agree with alot of it but I will say the Recon Scout and Trailmaster for the prices you pay especially for the SK 5 models stack up pretty good against most out there. Then again how many of us really use these knives to there fullest anyways. Well thats it, keepem sharp
 
I guess I might as well chime in here. I just picked up a Hatamoto folder. Superbly built and executed. Has SanMai III steel, which I don't know what that is, but it is definetly sharp and seems to stay that way. I traded a CQC12 BT PE for it and I am happy I did. For me the Hatamoto is a better buy and a better knife. Your opinion may differ but that is what makes the world go round. I have a Jones Brother folder which is a pretty high end custom and the Hatamoto stacks up well against it for ease of opening and sharpness. Obviously on the custom the attention to detail is better but you would be picking nits to just size them up. Now I am not saying it is better than the Responder by any means but you are talking several hundred dollars vs two hundred and for that it stacks up very well.

I also own the Voyager series and hands down as compared to the Endura I think the Voyagers are better knives. Stronger lock and much bigger knives if you are talking the Lg and Xlg. of which I own both. Don't care for the tanto points but I do like the clip points. I think the serrations on the Spyderco's are better though, but plain edge to plain edge I think with the CS being ground as thin as they are they are just sharper and easier to get that way. I also own a Trailmaster and 2 Recon Scouts and an original Master Hunter I have used since they came out in the 80's me thinks. Not positive but the knife is one of the older hunters I have and it is the one I use the most. Also I am comparing it to some nice hunting knives I have. CUstom and production, none better than the MH. Its great ergonomically and stays sharp for a very long time. I was told when I bought it from CS that it was 01 steel. This is what I belive the original MH's were made of.

Now if you cats are talking CS advertising that is another thing altogether. Don't agree with alot of it but I will say the Recon Scout and Trailmaster for the prices you pay especially for the SK 5 models stack up pretty good against most out there. Then again how many of us really use these knives to there fullest anyways. Well thats it, keepem sharp

Glad you like you're new knife, Longbow.:thumbup: Nothing wrong with that. My issue was with the obvious hyping, and at the same time, poor typing, that the OP and PPD were doing. A level-headed review, like yours, is one thing, but some of their (the OP and PPD) claims are quite another.

Has SanMai III steel, which I don't know what that is, but it is definetly sharp and seems to stay that way.

San Mai III, according to what I've seen and heard, is a core of AUS-8 (8A) between sides of 420.

Regards,
3G
 
San Mai III, according to what I've seen and heard, is a core of AUS-8 (8A) between sides of 420.

Regards,
3G

If you look at their catalogue, some of their knives just say San Mai III (Hatamoto, Black Sable, etc) These are AUS-8 core.

There are some that say VG-1 San Mai III, which are VG-1 core.

I believe for both the skin is something like 420
 
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