CTS-BD1N steel ?

DeadboxHero said:
I actually got a chance to use some at 63hrc, I was wrong.
It's actually better then VG10 even, crazy. Sharpens like a boss. Deburrs better.
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Awesome. I just picked up the knivesshipfree dragon series chef's knife with this steel. I'm excited. Sounds like a great steel for the price
 
I really like that steel, might be my favorite now.

I don't like the design of the dragon but the steel is good.
 
The most important aspect of any knife is overall design.

the Dragon doesn't suit my cutting style.

I don't like the big belly german style knives with giant handles.

I don't do plunge cuts. I like to chop and push cut with thinner blades with more edge contact on the board with less belly.

for me, its a faster cutting style with more precision.

but YMMV

that's just what I like.:D
 
DeadboxHero said:
The most important aspect of any knife is overall design.

the Dragon doesn't suit my cutting style.

I don't like the big belly german style knives with giant handles.

I don't do plunge cuts. I like to chop and push cut with thinner blades with more edge contact on the board with less belly.

for me, its a faster cutting style with more precision.

but YMMV

that's just what I like.:D
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Thanks for sharing, I get where you're coming from. I've gone back and forth over what I like. I don't currently on a Dragon but I do own it's cousin the Ken Onion Sky series. At the time both were made by Stratus (the Dragon by Yaxell). The KO is US made from what I understand. It uses the same steel as the Dragon. Apparently Stratus and KO have split and KO is doing his own thing.

From my understanding they were trying to combine the best of both worlds and I tend to prefer a western style knife for rock chopping but like performance of an eastern knife. I have enjoyed my KO knives with this steel so far. Will probably pick up a Dragon or two in the future. :)
 
bluemetalchurch said:
Thanks for sharing, I get where you're coming from. I've gone back and forth over what I like. I don't currently on a Dragon but I do own it's cousin the Ken Onion Sky series. At the time both were made by Stratus (the Dragon by Yaxell). The KO is US made from what I understand. It uses the same steel as the Dragon. Apparently Stratus and KO have split and KO is doing his own thing.

From my understanding they were trying to combine the best of both worlds and I tend to prefer a western style knife for rock chopping but like performance of an eastern knife. I have enjoyed my KO knives with this steel so far. Will probably pick up a Dragon or two in the future. :)
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Mine should be coming later tonight... I will post pictures once I get it :)
 
I just got it. Here are some pics...

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The weird thing is it says the handle is micarta, but it doesnt feel like the micarta im use to. It is very satiny feeling and it does not get grippy when wet. Anyone have any ideas?
 
Lord_Balkan said:
The weird thing is it says the handle is micarta, but it doesnt feel like the micarta im use to. It is very satiny feeling and it does not get grippy when wet. Anyone have any ideas?
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Looks good! It also looks like the micarta is highly polished.
 
I will say it is one of the sharpest knives I've gotten out of the box (even though the edge grind is not very even).
 
That handle looks like like micarta to me?

So what's the verdict? How does CTS-BD1 compare to CTS-BD1N? I found the BD1 example to be very easy to sharpen and take a very keen edge. My only real experience with it is the Manix LW. I thought it was a very good steel. Nothing super steel like, but good like Aus 8 or 8cr14mov, both steels I have had excellent experience with. BD1 seems to hold on to that sharp edge longer though.

So what's the deal? How does BD1N compare to BD1?

From what I read the addition of the Nitrogen makes the attainable rockwell hardness higher. However BD1 has Vanadium while BD1N does not. So the steel it's self may be harder in the N version. The trace amount of Vanadium in the non N version will only help refine the grain boundaries, I don't think it will contribute to carbide forming.
 
Lapedog said:
That handle looks like like micarta to me?

So what's the verdict? How does CTS-BD1 compare to CTS-BD1N? I found the BD1 example to be very easy to sharpen and take a very keen edge. My only real experience with it is the Manix LW. I thought it was a very good steel. Nothing super steel like, but good like Aus 8 or 8cr14mov, both steels I have had excellent experience with. BD1 seems to hold on to that sharp edge longer though.

So what's the deal? How does BD1N compare to BD1?

From what I read the addition of the Nitrogen makes the attainable rockwell hardness higher. However BD1 has Vanadium while BD1N does not. So the steel it's self may be harder in the N version. The trace amount of Vanadium in the non N version will only help refine the grain boundaries, I don't think it will contribute to carbide forming.
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I'm not sure. I don't feel like I have the experience to comment.

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That's a good looking knife. I'll try to get some photos of mine.
 
I just picked up the pairing knife... I am buying more. They are very good, decent price, high preforming knives. I am pretty impressed. They are also some of the sharpest knives I have gotten out of the box.
 
Lord_Balkan said:
I just picked up the pairing knife... I am buying more. They are very good, decent price, high preforming knives. I am pretty impressed. They are also some of the sharpest knives I have gotten out of the box.
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Good to know. I just ordered a knife block for my Ken Onion set of knives. I plan on picking up a couple of the Dragon's to give a go.
 
TheEdge01 said:
Spyderco uses this steel in their Manix LW. It is a mid range steel made by Carpenter. I would put it in the same class as 14c28n or 440c but it is a far cry from s30v as far as edge retention goes. However, judging from reviews I have read, some folks put it up there with VG10 steel.
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CTS-BD1N is not used in the Manix LW. CTS-BD1 is used in the Manix 2 LW. BD1N is being used in the new Para 3 light weight. This article on blade hq (https://www.bladehq.com/cat--Best-Knife-Steel-Guide--3368) is claiming that BD1N is a much higher grade steel. I have yet to see how spyderco will treat it, but I am sure they will do a great job. I suppose we'll see how it turns out at the finished product, but they are two different steels.
 
Asterisk said:
CTS-BD1N is not used in the Manix LW. CTS-BD1 is used in the Manix 2 LW. BD1N is being used in the new Para 3 light weight. This article on blade hq (https://www.bladehq.com/cat--Best-Knife-Steel-Guide--3368) is claiming that BD1N is a much higher grade steel. I have yet to see how spyderco will treat it, but I am sure they will do a great job. I suppose we'll see how it turns out at the finished product, but they are two different steels.
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My bad
 
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