Curious, but how many use a Loveless knife for it's intended purpose?

I have seen Used Loveless knives sold so there sure are folks that use them. They are also using knives that cost way more money. Nice to have very deep pockets.........I guess:D
 
Thanks for all your answers and prices I quoted came from the posted newspaper article as I have no idea on actual shop prices.

I understand that if the flipped prices are comanding more that Bob should charge to get the actual real price he thinks he should.

As with anything in the world of supply and demand. The less there is and the higher the demand. The higher one pays.

Have a good weekend all

DON
 
I have yet to get an original Loveless, but I've dozens of knives built to his patterns, including a Lovett, which I do use. To me that's the true value of Bob Loveless, he designed great knives.
 
SharpByCoop said:
Ian, by your own admission, you are not a collector. When your collection exceeds $30,000 (as a not too uncommon example), you really pay attention to whether that swiping cut which gives you great pleasure is worth the feel, or is it (in the case of a Loveless knife) worth about $3000 in reduced value. One outing can change that.

Coop
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That is only applicable to a collector who is interested in selling his collection.

I am half way to the $30K value of my meager collection of users (purchase price not resale as I am not concerned with selling), but every knife I have can be used and will be used. I find more enjoyment by using a knife than it sitting unused speculating how much it will be worth in 5, 10, 15 years. I am in the minority and fully accept and understand it, but once life makes high end knives available to me they will be used appropriately, but used nonetheless. I can't wait to take a Hanson out camping, EDC a pearl/mammoth damascus folder, or put a classic to use in the kitchen. I doubt I will ever get the chance to hold a Loveless, let alone use one- but if it was mine it would get dirty at times (and cleaned afterward)

I must add this is not to be argumentative and is written with respect to what you posted, but is showing the other side of the coin that I believe this thread is about. I love knives more than profit margins.
 
CUTS LIKE A KRIS said:
That is only applicable to a collector who is interested in selling his collection.

I am half way to the $30K value of my meager collection of users (purchase price not resale as I am not concerned with selling), but every knife I have can be used and will be used. I find more enjoyment by using a knife than it sitting unused speculating how much it will be worth in 5, 10, 15 years. I am in the minority and fully accept and understand it, but once life makes high end knives available to me they will be used appropriately, but used nonetheless. I can't wait to take a Hanson out camping, EDC a pearl/mammoth damascus folder, or put a classic to use in the kitchen. I doubt I will ever get the chance to hold a Loveless, let alone use one- but if it was mine it would get dirty at times (and cleaned afterward)

I must add this is not to be argumentative and is written with respect to what you posted, but is showing the other side of the coin that I believe this thread is about. I love knives more than profit margins.
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Nothing wrong with any of that. This is how you get enjoyment out of your knives and you need neither apologize nor defend. I think that on occasion the investment drum can be banged a little too loudly, creating the impression that if you are not enjoying 'x' return on your 'investment' then you must be some kind of knuckle-dragging dummy. Though this is manifestly not what Coop was saying. Custom knives can be a sound monetary investment - but they don't have to be in order to validate the collector or the collection.

I also think that describing personal enjoyment / preservation of the craft / beautification of the custom knife landscape etc. as "use", while technically correct, falls well outside the generally understood definition of the term as it applies to custom knives. Within that context, it means use as a knife - not use as an object d'art, investment opportunity or historical artifact. It means used to cut stuff.

Case in point, if Kevin decides to sell his terrific new knife at some point down the road, does anyone here think the title will read "For Sale - USED Loveless Dixon Fighter"? ;)

Roger

PS - ginzu - are you the DON?
 
^^A+

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Cuts like a Kris: Thanks for this version. Told smartly. I'm simply jealous. :)

Roger is far more articulate than I am, and just described what I feel, yet didn't say.

Thanks.

Coop
 
RogerP said:
Nothing wrong with any of that. This is how you get enjoyment out of your knives and you need neither apologize nor defend. I think that on occasion the investment drum can be banged a little too loudly, creating the impression that if you are not enjoying 'x' return on your 'investment' then you must be some kind of knuckle-dragging dummy. Though this is manifestly not what Coop was saying. Custom knives can be a sound monetary investment - but they don't have to be in order to validate the collector or the collection.

I also think that describing personal enjoyment / preservation of the craft / beautification of the custom knife landscape etc. as "use", while technically correct, falls well outside the generally understood definition of the term as it applies to custom knives. Within that context, it means use as a knife - not use as an object d'art, investment opportunity or historical artifact. It means used to cut stuff.

Case in point, if Kevin decides to sell his terrific new knife at some point down the road, does anyone here think the title will read "For Sale - USED Loveless Dixon Fighter"? ;)

Roger

PS - ginzu - are you the DON?
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I agree with your opening statement, the good thing is that many get enjoyment out of custom knives. It's not so importance how they do such. However, I believe the "knives are made to use" drum is beat more often and harder on this forum than the "investment" drum.

Besides, I think most "got it" that my reference to "use" in my Dixon Fighter thread was tongue & cheek as indicated by my ;) in the title.

Roger, perhaps you shouldn't allow yourself to get so "worked up" over my posts. Stress isn't healthy my friend. :)
 
Kevin Jones said:
I agree with your opening statement, the good thing is that many get enjoyment out of custom knives. It's not so importance how they do such. However, I believe the "knives are made to use" drum is beat more often and harder on this forum than the "investment" drum.

Besides, I think most "got it" that my reference to "use" in my Dixon Fighter thread was tongue & cheek as indicated by my ;) in the title.

Roger, perhaps you shouldn't allow yourself to get so "worked up" over my posts. Stress isn't healthy my friend. :)
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Kevin - perhaps you shouldn't continue to labour under the misconception that my posts are always in response to yours. Delusions of grandeur aren't healthy, my friend. :) You are not the magnetic center of my universe. I didn't make any reference to your "use" of the Dixon fighter in your thread precisely because the tongue-in-cheek nature of its application was quite evident there.

This thread, however has engaged a discussion of the concept of "use" of a custom knife - as it pertains to Loveless knives in particular and custom knives in general. I have addressed what I feel to be the difference between the literal use of the term and the contextual definition of the term as it applies to custom knives. Some may have found my contribution to be of some value. Others - you for example - may not. And that's quite okay. In either case, your Dixon fighter merely provided a convenient example to illustrate my point - nothing more. I think we can both agree that your Loveless knives aren't "used knives" within the generally accepted meaning of that phrase.

I can assure that your perception that I am getting 'worked up' over your post is a misperception on your part. I hope I have put to rest your most compassionate concern over my stress levels. ;)

Roger
 
------ i have opened my mouth again.

Nothing new to add.
 
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RogerP said:
Kevin - perhaps you shouldn't continue to labour under the misconception that my posts are always in response to yours. Delusions of grandeur aren't healthy, my friend. :) You are not the magnetic center of my universe.
Roger
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I sure hope I'm not Roger, however I'm certainly not the only one to notice your tendency to lurk, awaiting to pounce on my comments. And I don't believe it's misconception Roger as you either quote me or mention my name with the exception of when you subtly mock my statements followed by the ;).

Life is short, I suggest you relax and not let my posts irritate you so much. In fact many of my posts and threads are meant to stir the pot a bit in order to entice interesting discussion. I think some see and appreciate that.

As I stated recently, I'm not doing the back and forth with you any longer, so conversation over. Oh, except for your "last words" as we all know how important that is for you. ;)
 
2knife said:
------ i have opened my mouth again.

Nothing new to add.
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David, I didn't see anything wrong with your last post, even though it was directed at me. Everyone has has an opinion (I certainly have lots of them ;)).
My problem is when it's gets personnel and obvious that someone is trying to dis-credit my every word. You and have very different collecting philosophies but we've always respected that and gotten along.

Sorry, lets get back to the topic.
 
Kevin Jones said:
I sure hope I'm not Roger, however I'm certainly not the only one to notice your tendency to lurk, awaiting to pounce on my comments. And I don't believe it's misconception Roger as you either quote me or mention my name with the exception of when you subtly mock my statements followed by the ;).

Life is short, I suggest you relax and not let my posts irritate you so much. In fact many of my posts and threads are meant to stir the pot a bit in order to entice interesting discussion. I think some see and appreciate that.

As I stated recently, I'm not doing the back and forth with you any longer, so conversation over. Oh, except for your "last words" as we all know how important that is for you. ;)
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All I can say Kevin is that I don't think my participation on this forum can be fairly chacarterized as "lurking in wait" to "pounce" on your comments. Such a characterization wildly inflates the significance which I attach to your posts and is, in and of itself, emblematic of your ever-increasing hubris.

I think that is it your inability to tolerate an opposing view which lies at the center of your misconception that I am in some way upset or irritated by your posts. It's simple projection on your part. It bothers you terribly when someone presents an opposing view, so you presume that others are just as bothered. I'm certainly not the only one who has noticed that tendency on your part. You may believe what you will, but that simply isn't the case with me.

Case in point, in the "what defines a fighter / bowie" thread - you weren't the only one to advance the proposition that the bowie was less of a pure "fighter" and more of a general purpose knife. I expressed an opinion contrary to that view - and yet you were the only one to loudly announce that a) I was singling you out in some way, and b) that you were done with the "back and forth". Much as you have done here. Again. I have lost count of how many times you have made similar pronouncements. Please conider giving the politicking a rest, okay?

Kevin Jones said:
My problem is when it's gets personnel and obvious that someone is trying to dis-credit my every word.
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Looks like your "last word" wasn't your last after all. What a shock.

Roger
 
Kevin Jones said:
However, I believe the "knives are made to use" drum is beat more often and harder on this forum than the "investment" drum.
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As somebody that ghosts more than posts here I see very few users and very many safe queens. More discussions revolve around resale, market, condition than how the purchased knife is in use. Maybe those of us users may beat our chest a bit, but one reason that I post rarely in this forum is that as an individual more interested in performance than looks (and limited funds for higher end) that I find I have little to offer other than what I like and dislike (and some classic designs I dislike so I choose to keep my mouth shut).

Just my perception of how I see things.
 
CUTS LIKE A KRIS said:
As somebody that ghosts more than posts here I see very few users and very many safe queens. More discussions revolve around resale, market, condition than how the purchased knife is in use. Maybe those of us users may beat our chest a bit, but one reason that I post rarely in this forum is that as an individual more interested in performance than looks (and limited funds for higher end) that I find I have little to offer other than what I like and dislike (and some classic designs I dislike so I choose to keep my mouth shut).

Just my perception of how I see things.
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Fair enough.
I agree it seems we see more and discuss more artsy knives than utilitarian knives in the forum.

You and I aren’t that far apart as a knife’s performance is very important to me as well.
In fact, the mating of beauty and high performance is what interests me the most. However, I can fully appreciate and enjoy a fine knife without using it as I can tell from the feel, from who made it, knowing how it’s made and what it’s made from that it will perform to high degree if called upon.

I can appreciate a plain or ugly knife that performs to a high degree, however I can’t fully appreciate a beautiful knife that’s not capable of performing.

What bothers me is when someone implies that a knife is without value or purpose if it’s not used as a knife. I just don’t agree with that.
Not saying that you have implied this.
 
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No wonder I've stayed away from these forums lately and spent my quiet and peaceful days lounging in the traditional forum. They treat people with respect over there and resolve differences, however few, like gentlemen who love knives. Some people on here are turning Loveless' passing into a Soap Opera
 
CUTS LIKE A KRIS said:
As somebody that ghosts more than posts here I see very few users and very many safe queens. More discussions revolve around resale, market, condition than how the purchased knife is in use. Maybe those of us users may beat our chest a bit, but one reason that I post rarely in this forum is that as an individual more interested in performance than looks (and limited funds for higher end) that I find I have little to offer other than what I like and dislike (and some classic designs I dislike so I choose to keep my mouth shut).

Just my perception of how I see things.
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It's unfortunate that you have that perception that you have little to offer - I find information and input on use interesting and of value. I also find knives at all price points to be worthy of discussion. This is what I was getting at with my earlier post. I don't think purchasers of high end knives with a strong investment focus feel alienated from the forum by the discussion of performance. But those who do value performance and derive pleasure from the use of knives at the mid and lower end of the price scale can be made to feel that they have less to contribute because they don't have actuarial tables projecting the future value of their knife portfolios and can't brag about the consistently high returns they realize on their investments.

I hope you will continue to contribute.

Roger
 
CUTS LIKE A KRIS said:
I doubt I will ever get the chance to hold a Loveless, let alone use one- but if it was mine it would get dirty at times (and cleaned afterward)
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If you want to handle Loveless knives all you need to do is attend a show with John Denton, Lou DeSantis or one of the Loveless collectors/dealers setting up.

I probably will also never own one, but I have handled MANY of them.

The Blade show consistently provides that opportunity.

I love collectible cars and motorcycles as much (perhaps more than knives), and realized long ago, while it is impractical for me to own them, going to shows provides MUCH enjoyment by seeing them. My experience with "high end" collectible knives has evolved along that same philosophy.

Peter
 
I feel if I owned a used or very basic Loveless model I MIGHT be able to use it. Considering what these knives go for and how they are valued would certainly persuade me to not do more than shave the hair on my arm with them.

I am as a big a proponent of using ones knives as anyone. However I can see the investment side of things as well. Its one thing to have never owned even a $1000 dollar knife and say "heck i'd use that 15K loveless if I owned it" and dream about it. Its another entirely to have money invested in one and maybe hoping someday to see a return on your investment.

This thread reminds me of a show I went to and found a Kressler knife that I very much wanted and at the time and could afford. I held it and held it and man did I want it. However I just knew I couldnt use it when I owned it. I ultimatley passed on it as I would have wanted to keep it pristine in case I ever wanted a return on my investment. It would have been hell to own it and not use it so I passed.

I am not saying people dont use loveless knives. Not saying that at all. I am just saying I can see why NOW with the prices they are going for and the value they represent in a fluxuating market why people would not be so quick to use them.
 
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