Curious Dating Code

Haebbie

Haebbie

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Dear Members of the Buck Knives Forum,

yesterday I bought a used 112. And it has, alike the curious dating code with the two hyphen with the model number in the middle, another code, that is not listed in the dating sheet of the Buck Knives Collectors Club. The code is the angle of the year 1987 and just between the Ends of the lying "V" there is a Dot (Point). What does that mean? Many thanks forward for your Answers.

faithfully yours,
Herbert
 
Maybe someone that used a Rockwell tester on it? Keyword being "maybe".
I used to work in QA some moons ago before I got into IT at the same firm.
A few of my 110 knives ended up with a dot or two on the tang.
But, claiming to be a Buckaholic does not equate to my being a Buck expert. Just as my drinking beer doesn't mean I know anything about brewin' it.
 
Haebbie said:
Dear Members of the Buck Knives Forum,

yesterday I bought a used 112. And it has, alike the curious dating code with the two hyphen with the model number in the middle, another code, that is not listed in the dating sheet of the Buck Knives Collectors Club. The code is the angle of the year 1987 and just between the Ends of the lying "V" there is a Dot (Point). What does that mean? Many thanks forward for your Answers.

faithfully yours,
Herbert
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...Herbert...The knife with the "dash" marks is a 1992 production kife...The one with the "V." mark is a 1989 production knife. It's possible that someone did as Buckaholic said and did a Rockwell hardness test in that area but I also remember Joe Houser mentioning that mark ( the "dot" ) in some past thread. I'm not sure but I think he also may have been somewhat mystified by the "dot"...In any case both are nice knives and are something you should be considered very fortunate to pick up...
 
Many thanks for th informations.

The Dot in the "V" ist engraved. I'm shure, that it is not a point of a Rockwell Hardness Test, that looks different.

Joe, what do YOU say to that strange Dating Code?

Best regards,
Herbert
 
pjsjr said:
Haebbie, is this what you are talking about??? Preston
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Yes, Preston, it is nearly the same. Just turn the V clockwise a qarter circle, than you have the symbol on the 112. Do you know anything about it?

Best Regards,
Herbert
 
Haebbie said:
Yes, Preston, it is nearly the same. Just turn the V clockwise a qarter circle, than you have the symbol on the 112. Do you know anything about it?

Best Regards,
Herbert
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Haebbie, I e-mailed Joe Houser about a dot on a 25th anniversary 110, he responded that he had "one" with the dot inside the date code...but the v was turned. I'm not sure which way his was turned.

I suggest that you photograph yours and send it to him...he's interested in all things Buck and will give you answers...if he has them.

Post the pic here so others can see it, you may get answers from some of the knowledgeable folks here. Best, Preston
 
Thank you, Preston, that's a goot idea. I'll send Joe a mail. But first here's the Pic of the tang.

Best regards, Herbert


 
Herbert, I guess by some of the pictures you've posted and living in Berlin, you get to find some rarer Buck knives. Happy hunting:)
 
No, Scott, Goose, these are miracle skills :D :cool: :)


But earnestly: I found the knives mostly at the german eBay, sometimes at eGun, also a german auktionist (i that right?). I see an auction, an offer of a "Taschenmesser" (Pocket Knife) with an overexposed picture. I guess it is a Buck knife and buy that thing. And I get the 110 with the two hyphens at the number and the Corian handle - whow!

Also the last one, the 112 with the dot. It comes as "used pocket knive from the american knifemaker Buck slightly used". And I get that knife whith te curious dating code.

Also the Buck 119 with the brass parts at the black handle. It was an awful picture and it was only to guess,that it is another 119 as usual. The only thing I did: I tryed it out.

But in Germany you find Buck Knifes not so often as in the U.S. and so it is not so difficult to find the curiousities. You have a gigantic choice of products. I think it is nearly impossible to find the rarities. And also the Germans don't know what they have and what they sell.

I hope it is possible to read what I wrote. Pleas excuse, that i wrote so much text.

Best regards,
Herbert
 
hi haebbie
no problem reading at all and the more info the better
i wish i could read german i would check out some of those sites myself it sounds like some nice deals on good knives
so far the only deals i have got on buck knives is through members of this here forum over the last few months , makes me wish i had known about it earlier but better late than never eh lol
 
BM 10,

it's not so bad, that you don't read german, that's my chance to make nice deals. :D ;) :) :)

About the 102, described above, I got a mail from Joe. He wrote:

"The 112 that you described is one that I don’t see very often. It was made in late 1987. There was some sort of change that year that warranted a new date code mark. To be honest, I had only seen a 110 with that mark so far. I still do not know what the change was that caused the new mark but hope to figure it out someday."

Does anybody know what the reason was to change the Mark?

Best regards,
Herbert
 
well here i am again and the dates rang a bell so here is my .02 cents worth>>>>>

if and that a big IF i am correct : it has some thing to do with a minor change possability on the spring of the lock bar a blade banking or diffrent heat treeat or most any thing that may make a diffrence on assumbly...
it was and still is important to know if some thing is a minor diffrence so that they know on assumbility line that it was a diffrent part mid year...

it is rare that a change is made mid year unless they are going to run out before the end of the year....

that DID happen on the dubble dash and is why the left side dash was added - to denote a spring change during mid year and inducated to the asumblears that it there was a diffrence in parts for this knife as it was a mid year change up...

now the disclamer: this is only 2ed hand info from former workes at the cal buck plant and i have heard it in 2 diffrent interviews i did ... the one did work on the line as i recall ... and no i dont rember who it was as
i make it a point to NOT put names with info i collect
that i can not get confermed:o ...
or esp is a
>>> seems i recall that maby ...:confused:
OR is a
>>> to the best of my memory...:confused:
things...

ugh... buck 110 my friend ,,, you are welcome to add this to your infomation file also.... as i consiter it fairly relieable info ... :thumbup:
unless Joe say's NO....:eek:
but so we can be sure if we ask Joe if that is what it could be ...
HAY JOE ...;) :D
 
Dave,
Your guess is as good as mine at this point. :) Once I get finished, or IF i ever get finished doing blade swaps on 110's, :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I hope to dig out some old blueprints and see if I can find the change noted there. I do have documentation that refers to adding one dot to one of the blades on the model 703. We were evaluating a 441 modified steel for that knife. I still have never seen a 703 with a dot and imagine that the dot may be hidden on purpose, under the handle.
 
Joe Houser said:
Dave,
Your guess is as good as mine at this point. :) Once I get finished, or IF i ever get finished doing blade swaps on 110's, :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I hope to dig out some old blueprints and see if I can find the change noted there. I do have documentation that refers to adding one dot to one of the blades on the model 703. We were evaluating a 441 modified steel for that knife. I still have never seen a 703 with a dot and imagine that the dot may be hidden on purpose, under the handle.
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wow...
i never thought of that as a verry likely reason as why we dont get
to see you here near as offten as we would like to !!!!;) ; but it is !!!:o

yea every time i see a seller on ebay that has some thing odd
i email them and ask if they used to work at Buck and if so i
try to call and ask questions on working at the old place
and what kind of "neat" knives they saw made there...
and ask on any triva i have heard...
is how i learned about the 2 dashes and some of the other odd blade "swapes"
done for company: fund rasers , raffles and employee request
and some lets jest see...

i have heard of things like : blades with the stamp on the wrong side, a dispaly board with samples at each of the steps a balde goes through, drop point and tanto shape 112's made from 110 blades, two bladed 110's and 112's, selector baldes in 110 frames as folding skinners and even FIXED balded and expermental 110's.... like the thin sides i asked you about that one time ... the model 110TS catalogue number 2267...
as well as some of the fixed blades being extra long and ground to many diffrent shapes and leanths...
and many diffrent handle materals being used, some were called odd ?...
basicly that thoes in charge were so nice that you could ask for all most any thing to be made and likely get it at the employee discount in the store!!!!
and that sales men many times asked for some thing diffrent so they could show what was capable of being ordered or how it worked... like the sales man clear sided 110's...
now i dont realy know how much was brageing :rolleyes: :eek:
or if it was jest some leg pullling going on or not :eek: :rolleyes:
but that is some of what i heard from former workers about knives:D
 
Haebbie said:
No, Scott, Goose, these are miracle skills :D :cool: :)


But earnestly: I found the knives mostly at the german eBay, sometimes at eGun, also a german auktionist (i that right?). I see an auction, an offer of a "Taschenmesser" (Pocket Knife) with an overexposed picture. I guess it is a Buck knife and buy that thing. And I get the 110 with the two hyphens at the number and the Corian handle - whow!

Also the last one, the 112 with the dot. It comes as "used pocket knive from the american knifemaker Buck slightly used". And I get that knife whith te curious dating code.

Also the Buck 119 with the brass parts at the black handle. It was an awful picture and it was only to guess,that it is another 119 as usual. The only thing I did: I tryed it out.

But in Germany you find Buck Knifes not so often as in the U.S. and so it is not so difficult to find the curiousities. You have a gigantic choice of products. I think it is nearly impossible to find the rarities. And also the Germans don't know what they have and what they sell.

I hope it is possible to read what I wrote. Pleas excuse, that i wrote so much text.

Best regards,
Herbert
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hay Herbert did you see the buck 560 listed on the ebay there
Artikelnummer: 300005151725 ?
and another that looks good - Artikelnummer: 180016840058
what does 1 EUR = in USD?
and by the way do you own a 124?
oh and dont worry of wrighting too much, some of us do that a lot :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
 
Dave, first i thank you very much for so many informations. Indeed, it needs some time for me to translate the text to my brain. That's not so easy, because my bad school english doesn't contain the techical terms. But it ist very interesting. I use a very good online dictionary (http://dict.leo.org). And all that in reason of knives, a peace of sharpened steel with a handle? Oki, everybody has his spleen.

Yes, i saw the listed Bucks. But the 560 is too expensive i think. 1 Euro approximates between 1,20 and 1,30 U.S.-Dollar. Would you pay 130 bucks for that knife? I payed for my 560 about 40 Euro, shipping included. But it looks used.

The other one scratches the border (is that sentence usable?). 50 Euro without a leatherbag? - what do you think ist the value of the knife? If you mean it is worth its price i buy it at once and pick it up with my bicycle. Just now i bid on a Buck coustom Bowie at eGun. Just th knife does 65 Euro - let's see what it does at the end. Did you see this auction? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...30042564688&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1

By the way: I own the 124. Why do you ask?

Best regards,
Herbert
 
Haebbie said:
The other one scratches the border (is that sentence usable?).
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Yes, that one is very understandable in English... :) :thumbup:

Oki, everybody has his spleen.
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That one didn't translate so good... :( :thumbdn:

I generally use the Babelfish http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/ , especially to translate sentences into English. I can usually understand about one word in three, which is pretty much enough to get the meaning.

334dave's gibberish doesn't translate, so I've given up reading his posts.
 
Haebbie said:
Dave, first i thank you very much for so many informations. Indeed, it needs some time for me to translate the text to my brain. That's not so easy, because my bad school english doesn't contain the techical terms. But it ist very interesting. I use a very good online dictionary (http://dict.leo.org). And all that in reason of knives, a peace of sharpened steel with a handle? Oki, everybody has his spleen.

Yes, i saw the listed Bucks. But the 560 is too expensive i think. 1 Euro approximates between 1,20 and 1,30 U.S.-Dollar. Would you pay 130 bucks for that knife? I payed for my 560 about 40 Euro, shipping included. But it looks used.

The other one scratches the border (is that sentence usable?). 50 Euro without a leatherbag? - what do you think ist the value of the knife? If you mean it is worth its price i buy it at once and pick it up with my bicycle. Just now i bid on a Buck coustom Bowie at eGun. Just th knife does 65 Euro - let's see what it does at the end. Did you see this auction? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...30042564688&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1

By the way: I own the 124. Why do you ask?
Best regards,
Herbert
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Hi again Herbert, well, here on the black coated 560 with black blade in nice condition and box, the price is 120 and more dollars as the black is not seen for sale much at all.
The gold, silver and older gray have been sold for over 70$ but that includes box, warrantee paper, and no damage to the knife.
During this year I have seen the price drop to around 50$ to 60$ at times.
Used with some minor damage they have sold for 30 to 40.
The one with the teeth on the blade sells here for a lot less then there.
And yes that 120 proline is a good value even here for about 28$ some are higher and some lower...
on the 124 , i exchanged email once with some one there concerning one with a white handle... but i do not think it was you, names there starting with a H are more often seem .

Here my last name is not common at all and i often have it wrongly spelled and spoken... it is Meier but most say it as either meir or as mayer and most all here on hearing me say it spell it as Meyer or as Myer ...
My wife gets most angry with others on its spelling and how it is said in places such as at the doctors office or government offices!! :eek:
Strange that you have not as much trouble with my language as the others here...:eek: :rolleyes: you must be one very smart buck collector ;) :D

Here as there, incorrect spelling can still be read but machine translating gets rough on a word that is not in its list!! if you want i will list some words that seem to be odd on our end, tho understanable, it makes for some funny reading!
 
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