Current model Edge Pro Apex users: can the base...

It sounds like you think it's worthwhile to get the Apex held tightly in place? One thing I would note: miracles have been performed with duct tape & zip ties - I've yet to find anything completely immune to the power of this highest black magic.

Since I might have your ear: my goal is to get the Apex functionally close to the level of the Pro without dumping in a whole lot of cash. Do you think this is doable? Are there any other major differences I should direct my attention to? Hopefully I can make this work long enough to then save up and purchase a Pro unit.

I have used both. I think you'll find if you get the Apex, that the "suction cup feet" are more than adequate for holding it. The front part is held, just by holding the knife. Doesn't need anything else.

Functionally, there's little difference between the Apex and the Pro. The Pro was designed, as Ben (the EP owner/inventor) details... for the Pro sharpener who is sharpening several hours a day. There is one addition that's nice to add to the Apex that the Pro model has... a spring placed on the stone arm makes changing stones easier (picture below). (I took my stone arm to a local hardware store and found one in a bin of springs so don't have a size... but it's a nice feature to add). Some of the other differences really don't matter unless, as I said before, you're doing a lot of knives.

I hadn't used my Apex in a while, so set it up last night and did a couple of knives. Left it set up overnight, and this a.m. the suction cups were still holding it down. Here's my setup (and showing the spring I mentioned)...

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... hope that helps a bit.
 
I've had both the Apex and the Pro model. I had problems/issues w/ the small suction cups allowing the apex to slide around when trying to sharpen, very annoying. What happened is that the water would flow down off of the waterstones and all around the suction cups and cause them to slide when using any pressure on the blade. Maybe it was operator error or a suction cup issue but I don't believe so - Apparently Ben didn't either since he completely redesigned the Pro model with a super high quality and extremely solid Panavise base. The entire Pro felt more solid and zero issues with slipping. Of course, for that $$ I would invest in the WEPS myself ;)

Bob, if you keep most of the water off of the suction cups they should work just find. But your magnet idea is intriguing and would be sweet if it works!
 
...or a suction cup issue but I don't believe so - Apparently Ben didn't either since he completely redesigned the Pro model with a super high quality and extremely solid Panavise base.

I'm pretty certain that he didn't "redesign the Pro model" because of an issue with the suction cups... (if so, seems like the suction cup model would have been phased out??)

Anyway, never had the issue you did, unless I put too much water down to begin with... but a little extra pressure on the cups seemed to force it out and take care of it. I learned later on that too much water during sharpening was a bad thing (for a number of reasons)... rewatching the EP videos made me realize how little water is needed (and recommended). (Maybe was the issue you had there)?
 
I'm pretty certain that he didn't "redesign the Pro model" because of an issue with the suction cups... (if so, seems like the suction cup model would have been phased out??)

Anyway, never had the issue you did, unless I put too much water down to begin with... but a little extra pressure on the cups seemed to force it out and take care of it. I learned later on that too much water during sharpening was a bad thing (for a number of reasons)... rewatching the EP videos made me realize how little water is needed (and recommended). (Maybe was the issue you had there)?

Could be, good point. That was about 6-7 years ago haha, all I remember thinking is that I didn't have any more issues after upgrading to the pro model!
 
The Apex came well after the Pro. The suction cups need a smooth surface to work properly, but so does the Pro vacuum base for that matter. My kitchen counter is textured Formica and the cups only hold for a few minutes before I need to press them down again, with some water to help them out. On a smooth surface they hold as long as I spend sharpening. I don't think you can have too much water for the suction cups, at least I haven't run into that problem and I am not shy about splashing some on the surface I am setting the sharpener on.

The magnetic mount does have me curious. I am wondering if others would be interested in a magnetic adapter to replace the suction cups? 50-100 lbs of magnetic force would be very easy to achieve and probably be enough to keep it in place, but it would require a steel work surface to set it on.
 
The suction cups hold just fine for me, but to RE's point, if it's a really smooth non-porous surface like glass or smooth granite countertops, almost any moisture will cause them to slide. I find on my granite counter tops, it's best to wipe it with just a lightly damp cloth, then give it a quick wipe with a dry cloth. Push the suction cups down firmly, and it's solid. I went to my local glass company & had a 12" diameter of 3/8" glass cut. Painted a 1" radius on the outer edge with PlastiDip on one side. With this, I can set the round glass PlastiDip side down on pretty much any surface and it doesn't move. Stick the Apex down on it & go to work. When I need to lap stones, turn it over so I don't scuff the nice slick side. Basically the same thing EdgePro sells but homemade
 
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I'm looking to purchase an EdgePro Apex system. I have a work table made of a sheet of tempered glass.
In your use and observation, do you think that I can take two 80lb pull magnets which are small bars, glue them to the underside of my table, and then place the Apex base over those magnets?

Well, that is a yes and no answer. The unit by itself, pic as in post #6 is non-magnetic.
I have one. I have various heavy-duty neo magnets such as you mentioned. The only metal "available" where the suction cups are..is the two metal screws the are mounted in the base of that unit...and the suction cups screw onto those. BTW, those two screws are held in with retaining screws and are probably NOT MUCH HOLDING POWER AT ALL.
The two legs closest to the operator have some small amount of ferrous material in the bottom of each leg, and the rubber protective cups appear to be glued on...
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When the unit is set up using those suction cups, the "nylon?" base sits ~1/2" above the glass plate. Those two screws are ~2.2" APART, CENTER TO CENTER.. YOU CAN AFFIX A FERROUS (IRON?) PLATE TO THAT BASE (USING WHATEVER METHOD YOU CHOOSE).
That plate can be 1/2" wide by 2" long by 1/2" thick and will slide right in between those two screws (just take off the suction cups)...if you cannot extract those screws with vise-grips, or whatever. Now you can use those new magnets that you have...under the glass. The holding power will, of course, be influenced by the thickness of your existing glass plate. I would think that a 1/4" sheet of tempered glass would be no problem... 1/2" thick glass. Don't know.
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Now comes the REAL MAGIC of those magnets. "Mount" one of them to the underside of the work-surface plate that your knife blade sits on. I just measured the mag that I use, and it appears to be 3/4" circular by maybe 1" deep. I think it's about an 80-pounder or so.
NOW...your knife blade will be very "secure" when you place it on the work-surface, and lighter knives can be sharpened without even holding onto the knife. The big advantage is that the blade is always secure on the work-surface...which is difficult to maintain using your fingers only. In my case, this has resulted in my finished edges being much "nicer" and a good deal sharper than I had experienced previously.
I took that 3/4" circular cylinder of magnet and wrapped it in a bit of tape and jammed it up into the space directly under the work-surface. It has held just fine for many knives at this point.
This was NOT my idea...I read it here six months ago...don't know who wrote that post but bless his heart.
The front legs on the unit will still slide around a bit, but no worse than the original design intends. You get get really fancy and utilize the 0.2" wide space that exists in each front leg. Those legs are solid on three sides, but you could stick ferrous material in those legs also, and then perhaps you'd really have the solidity that you are seeking.
Note that the metal plate that you mount between the suction cups have to be very close to 1/2" thick, or you will have to "recalibrate" your included angles...as given by the colored dots red, green, blue, yellow, etc. on the vertical rod. That 1/2" is measured when the suction cups are pushed down solidly onto the glass plate.
Anyway, good luck, and glad that I am finally able to thank that kind person who first told me about using magnets to hold your blade in place.
best of luck.
don
 
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Note that the metal plate that you mount between the suction cups have to be very close to 1/2" thick, or you will have to "recalibrate" your included angles...as given by the colored dots red, green, blue, yellow, etc. on the vertical rod. That 1/2" is measured when the suction cups are pushed down solidly onto the glass plate.

I don't think the angle the EP sharpens at, has anything to do with the height of the feet (suction cups)?
 
I don't think the angle the EP sharpens at, has anything to do with the height of the feet (suction cups)?

Oh boy...I did my "stupid" for the day. Thank you. I am looking for something to blame in on, other than me... If I can hold my "stupids" down to 1/day, that's pretty good.
:)
 
Oh boy...I did my "stupid" for the day. Thank you. I am looking for something to blame in on, other than me... If I can hold my "stupids" down to 1/day, that's pretty good.
:)

Please don't be so hard on yourself, just blame everything on me, and tell me "Chin up, stay positive." That's what my wife does, and it works out well for her.
 
Side comment I have never considered sharpening scissors to a polish. Does this work in use ?
I have always taken it for granted that a bit of tooth is wisest for scissors so they can get a grip on the material being sheared.
Hmmmmm

High polish on scissors works just fine -- until the edge starts to dull, then you'll wish you'd left it a bit toothy.
 
Have you considered Hapstone sharpener? It already comes with magnet (a super one), can hold 6 or 8 inch stones, main parts are made of metal, you don't have to worry about suctions...
Seems to be a little bit larger but everything was finely thought.
 
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