Custom Damascus folders for under $40?

JPD1998

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I’m sure you’ve seen these knives listed on the auction site categorized as custom knives. I was pretty curious about these knives myself. I knew they weren’t really custom knives and were made in Pakistan, but I decided to buy a bunch just to see what they were like. I’ll also tell you up front, I’m not writing this to change anyone’s mind about these knives, but rather give those that are interested some information.

Each of these were bought for $39 or less, shipped ($39 being the most and $32.00 was the least).

After getting these and examining them, the first thing I noticed was that even though they were purchased from different vendors, they shared many similarities.
For instance most of the liner locking knives were designed like nothing I’ve ever seen before and even though they were purchased from different vendors they were identically constructed. The frames and locks are all brass and most of them have file-worked steel back spacers that resembled back springs. I’m thinking that maybe these same parts are used on lock- back knives too. The back spacers look nice but really serve no purpose other than to act as a blade stop and add weight.

Another thing I noticed was the hardware; including the thumb studs were similar. Even the way the studs are peened onto the blade looked the same.

So I came to the conclusion that these are probably kit knives and the parts are being sourced from one major manufacturer in Pakistan. But assembled in smaller shops there as well.

The quality of the materials being used is similar on all the knives; however they are not all put together equally well. The scale materials are all organic; horn, stag, wood or bone and the blades were all reasonably sharp, with a few being razor sharp. The Damascus is generic Pakistani quality, but the blades and bolsters are folded steel of some sort and not a faux etching. Surprisingly, the blade steel seems to be of reasonable quality, no scientific testing, but the steel was hard when passed over ceramic rods.

Of the bunch, two were considerably better than the rest. They were just built better and the file work was of a higher level of detail. On the flip side a few looked hastily built with off center blades and careless assembly. Some have washers in the pivot area and some don’t.

Ironically they all came with sheaths that were pretty nice and worth at least $10 - $15 on their own.

The lock back knife is constructed pretty well, no wobble and the stag is nice and fitted well too.

So in summary, these are definitely handmade (some hands are more skilled than others) and have a rustic look about them. I would say that these are best used for show or as desk knives.

These two are the best











Some of the others











 
Great post, I sometimes spend time on an auction style site looking at the "damascus" folding knives and fixed blades. Some of them look very pretty, but the prices they ask are a bit high in my opinion. How is the lockup with the brass liner lock? I would guess it would wear faster than steel.
 
Great post, I sometimes spend time on an auction style site looking at the "damascus" folding knives and fixed blades. Some of them look very pretty, but the prices they ask are a bit high in my opinion. How is the lockup with the brass liner lock? I would guess it would wear faster than steel.

I wouldn't pay more than $30 for any of them and one of the reasons I posted this was so that other members don't get ripped off.

If you look at the pictures, they resemble knives being sold as customs for over $100.00

Ironically, one of the two knives that I mentioned above as being the best , was actually one of the cheapest. It was about $32 shipped with a very nice cowhide sheath.

As far as lockup, they're not like other liner locks. The locks just prevent the blades from closing. There is no "ramp" on the blade tang, they're flat and the lock makes very little contact with the tang. The tolerance on some of them is close enough so that there's no play. But on some of them there is a little play. Brass being as soft as it is would probably fail under any stress, but the blade stops are strong.
Also there's no ball detention, they stay closed just by pressure and some are tighter than others. The knife above with the flipper is the tightest.
Of the entire bunch about half have a consistent level of quality and the others don't. The lock-back knife above is constructed as you'd expect a lock-back to be.
 
To my eye, Pakistani, and even some South African makers, go overboard with their decorations. Just too much stuff - damascus everywhere, grooves, filework, colors galore, and the scale materials. No visual restraint.
 
I bought one just for the he** of it but mostly just to see what kind of superficially expensive looking knife can be marketed for $24+ shipping and still make a profit.
 
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I bought one just for the he** of it but mostly just to see what kind of superficially looking knife can be marketed for $24+ shipping and still make a profit.

They're different that's for sure, but probably won't kick your favorite knife out of your pocket. :)

They come slathered in oil,so you'll be spending a little time cleaning it.

The knives pictured in the first two photos were the best in terms of construction.....blade grinds, sharpness etc. The very first one is my favorite of the lot, I bought it because it was pinned together and had a separate liner as a lock and not just one side of the frame crimped as a lock.
 
They come slathered in oil,so you'll be spending a little time cleaning it.

Not too surprising since they, with their carbon steel blades, probably come by slow boat from the far side of the world.

I've bought a few military surplus rifles from the US Civilian Markmanship program. They get pretty gunked up too and its a good thing if the rifle has been in storage for several decades.
 
Not too surprising since they, with their carbon steel blades, probably come by slow boat from the far side of the world.

I've bought a few military surplus rifles from the US Civilian Markmanship program. They get pretty gunked up too and its a good thing if the rifle has been in storage for several decades.

Me too , I got my first CMP Garand about 10 years ago.
So yeah , I actually look forward to cleaning things, it's like therapy. :thumbup:
 
That being said, do you have any plans to do any cutting tests with any of them? See how the edges hold up, etc.?

I'm going to try the one with the hawkbill blade.
It has a thin blade and I was able to put a good edge on it.
Most of the others are pretty sharp , but have very thick blades.
 
I wouldn't want to pay that much for them either. I've been able to win several damascus knives both folding and fixed blade but not for that much. I personally think they are pretty dang cool, and there is no other option for folded steel blades anywhere near that price range. For me personally they are purely for collecting and decoration, but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't hold up under normal use.
 
I wouldn't want to pay that much for them either. I've been able to win several damascus knives both folding and fixed blade but not for that much. I personally think they are pretty dang cool, and there is no other option for folded steel blades anywhere near that price range. For me personally they are purely for collecting and decoration, but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't hold up under normal use.

I think the general consensus is that the dealers just make up the steel specs.

This is from one of the ads.

"The blade is made from 1095 steel and 15n20 nickel, cryogenically heat treated in liquid nitrogen to increase hardness. As you may know, 1095 is a traditional and sought after American high carbon steel that is prized for knife blades. It is hardened to about 60 on the Rockwell C scale (HRC). "

We'll see, I'm going to use one over the weekend.
 
"cryogenically heat treated in liquid nitrogen to increase hardness"

Even ignoring the contradiction, that sounds pretty much made up using buzzwords to impress the technically inept. In the early 2000's there was a fad of cryogenic treatment of high end custom rifle barrels, supposedly to increase barrel life and accuracy. It was eventually proven to be totally ineffective.

If you paid me to write impressive sounding specs that would never be held to any review, I would definitely go hyperbolic. ;-)
 
**Update**

I picked out the hawk bill liner lock as my test subject. The blade is a little thick at the edge and will need to be re-profiled, but I did sharpen it more. The steel seems to be pretty hard, I started with ceramic rods, but was not making any progress so I switched to a diamond hone.

I got a good working edge and was able to shave hair, so I started to cut up a cardboard box. I broke down a medium sized box , but the thick edge and not the sharpness was the negative factor here. You can see some of the tearing in the photos.

When I was finished , the edge needed a sharpening , but was not blunt.
As an added test I wrist flicked the knife a few times to see if the blade stop or tang was soft, it held up.

And so when I was done there was no blade play and it locked up fine. I will try to re-profile it in the future. The shape of the blade is a pain to sharpen.





 
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How would you know? You post frequently, but very little about actually using knives.

I rarely have an urge to share stories about how I cut mundane things with an abundance of cutlery.

As to the legendary Pakistan cutlery industry, They are instantly recognizable in form and always abysmal in quality. They never use quality materials.
 
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