Custom Knife Makers: Disasters

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Hi Jared,

Had you been there, you would know that I was not making a "BOLD" statement. That I was meerly stating a fact; unfortunately you were not.

I would suggest that you are the one who is Brash and Arrogant. As you were not in attendance at for this conversation. Your accusation is based entirely on supposition and conjecture.

I was not backing up. I know both Mick and Duane, it was Mick who told me he was a Marine Corp Sniper. This came up because of my Sniper training. I didn't think anything of it at the time nor until it was pointed out that he was in the Army. You are obviously familiar with what is going on. You will note I only mentioned my experience and did not bring up any of the other "issues".

Like I said I don't buy Strider knives so it makes no difference to me.

I don't want this thead to get derailed. Back to the Disasters or Near Disasters.

WWG
 
Jared P said:
If you say he did say that, who are you? Why are you posting anonymously?

Jared
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I believe that part has been covered here already.
 
WoodWorkGhost said:
Hi Jared,

Had you been there, your would know that I was not making a "BOLD" statement. That I was meerly stating a fact; unfortunately you were not.

I would suggest that you are the one who is Brash and Arrogant. As you were not in attendance at for this conversation. Your accusation is based entirely on supposition and conjecture.

I was not backing up. I know both Mick and Duane, it was Mick who told me he was a Marine Corp Sniper. This came up because of my Sniper training. I didn't think anything of it at the time nor until it was pointed out that he was in the Army. You are obviously familiar with what is going on. You will note I only mentioned my experience and did not bring up any of the other "issues".

Like I said I don't buy Strider knives so it makes no difference to me.

I don't want this thead to get derailed. Back to the Disasters or Near Disasters.

WWG
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Apparently reading comprehension is NOT your strong suit, and that's ok. I was here for your inital accusation and THAT was the comment I was addressing. Of course I was not there when he allegedly told you this, but I most certainly was there when you randomly dropped this accusation in this thread and then refused to back it up. So here's where we stand:

1) You accuse Mick, who I've only ever heard good things about and have never read him any where misrepresent himself, of lying and being essentially dishonorable. And to be honest, by associate you are accusing Duane of knowingly hanging out with a lying scumbag that disrespects HIS known previous profession.

2) Your only "proof" is your word.

3) You are "anonymous" and refuse to back up your claims.


Like I said, I have no dog in this fight EXCEPT that all this petty mudsling is cheapening this hobby/profession and makes the mudslingers look like spineless wannabe's that wanna kick someone while they are not looking.

So, my name is Jared. Who are you?

Jared

PS: It makes no difference to you? Then why bring it up?
 
Jared P said:
Apparently reading comprehension is NOT your strong suit, and that's ok. I was here for your inital accusation and THAT was the comment I was addressing. Of course I was not there when he allegedly told you this, but I most certainly was there when you randomly dropped this accusation in this thread and then refused to back it up. So here's where we stand:

1) You accuse Mick, who I've only ever heard good things about and have never read him any where misrepresent himself, of lying and being essentially dishonorable. And to be honest, by associate you are accusing Duane of knowingly hanging out with a lying scumbag that disrespects HIS known previous profession.

2) Your only "proof" is your word.

3) You are "anonymous" and refuse to back up your claims.


PS: It makes no difference to you? Then why bring it up?
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Jared, you are hijacking a fairly good thread. Take it offline. You may not agree with what WWG is saying, but it does not make the meat of his statements lack validity, am specifically NOT talking about ANYTHING with reference to Strider, here.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson-that is who I am, last name and all.
 
Kohai999 said:
Jared, you are hijacking a fairly good thread. Take it offline. You may not agree with what WWG is saying, but it does not make the meat of his statements lack validity, am specifically NOT talking about ANYTHING with reference to Strider, here.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson-that is who I am, last name and all.
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With respect Steven, I didn't hijack anything! WWG came out of the wood work (sorry bad pun) and blasted someone with an unsubstantiated claim for some unknown reason. I saw what I considered to be his baseless dogpiling and called him on it. Personally I find this whole issue annoying and infantile and it's said more about the people attacking Strider knives than what they are trying to stay about Strider Knives.

So here we are, in a thread about disasters and WWG offhandedly and anonymously brings up some unsubstantiate remarks essentially defaming a successful maker and you think that has nothing to do with this thread? You think because he says that "Hey I don't buy the knives so, no skin off my nose" that he can say whatever he wants?

What if I said that you were a theif and a liar, but hey I don't buy things from you so everyone take that as you will. Is that ok? No, it's not.

I've got an idea(this is not pointed at you Steven) why don't all you mudslingers grow up and get back to buying or making knives?

Jared Page

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Better yet...I'll call who ever I want a liar in any thread I feel like, then I'll say it's ok cause I don't deal with them and make it all right by demanding we get back on topic. WWG, if you are who I think you are I'm disappointed.
 
Jared,

Like it or not my conversation happened and it is a fact. As you were not there anything you would have to say regarding my casting dispersions for the sake of doing so is moot.

Like it or not facts have come to light that may or may not have an impact on Strider knives. As this thread is discussing disasterous experiences with knife makers and how it affects the potential captial return on their money. The question I have asked is germaine to the topic.

Like it or not I am entilted to write what I want just as you are entitled to do the same.

I post in anonimity to avoid wasting my time.

WWG
 
WoodWorkGhost said:
Like it or not my conversation happened and it is a fact.
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If someone came in anon and said "Les Robertson sells a lot of customs which are actually prefab made by assistants, he told me at Blade 2003." and refused to say who he was or actually provide any evidence why would anyone actually take it seriously.

As for market value, do the "fad" materials effect value? How are the Talonite blades selling on the secondary market now for example? When S30V is replaced with the new steel in 1-2 years, how will that effect the old ones? Did the ATS-34 Striders drop when the S30V ones came out?

-Cliff
 
Cliff,

Actually if someone did say that about Les, you could easily check the knives that were being sold. This would either prove or disprove the persons claim.

Talonite and Stellite have stalled in the aftermarket for one main reason, the cost. Still an excellent material, especially for work in and around salt water.

While many makers are switching to S30V at this point knives made with ATS-34 dont' seem to be suffering that much. Generally it is the makers cost that drives the fads. If a company like Crucible can produce an excellent over all steel, make it available directly to the consumer in small quantities (if desired) and ask a fair price. You will see the steel start to be used on a regular basis by a lot of knife makers.

Do you see some new "super steel" on the horizion?

WWG
 
Yes you could check it, just like you could check with Mick and find out his take on the conversation and also see if he made such statements publically. However would you actually be inclined to do so simply because some anon guy said it?

I have heard all kinds of rumors about how knives are made, who is making them, what steels are actually being used, the "real" heat treatments and so forth. In general unless someone is going to publically make a statement and sign it, I don't pay attention to it. Gossip and rumors are not really a sensible source of information.

Crucible is introducing CPM-154CM which is supposed to address some problems makers had with S30V. I would assume in 2-3 years they will come out with something else. Steel changes fairly rapidly now, it would be interesting to see how long steels were popular in the past, have the lifetimes decreased?

-Cliff
 
Dang, I started out just curious about some of the more disappointing expereinces in the realm of collecting custom knives. What a long strange trip this thread has taken!
 
fracmeister said:
Dang, I started out just curious about some of the more disappointing expereinces in the realm of collecting custom knives. What a long strange trip this thread has taken!
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...and it's going to get longer and stranger.
 
WoodWorkGhost said:
Talonite and Stellite have stalled in the aftermarket for one main reason, the cost.
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If you want the truth go to the source. This is the best year for Talonite sales we've ever had. Please let me know if you see any knives with Talonite blades for sale in the after market. I'm always looking to increase my collection.

Now back to the disaster knifemaker thread.
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Hi Chuck,

It may be your best year for sales to date. However, the truth is the demand for Talonite and Stellite knives has stalled compared to a few years ago. I didn't say no one was making or buying them.

If you selling more than ever perhaps more knives with Talonite will start appearing at shows and on the Internet again.

WWG
 
WoodWorkGhost said:
Jared,

Like it or not my conversation happened and it is a fact. As you were not there anything you would have to say regarding my casting dispersions for the sake of doing so is moot.

Like it or not facts have come to light that may or may not have an impact on Strider knives. As this thread is discussing disasterous experiences with knife makers and how it affects the potential captial return on their money. The question I have asked is germaine to the topic.

Like it or not I am entilted to write what I want just as you are entitled to do the same.

I post in anonimity to avoid wasting my time.

WWG
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I don't like or dislike anything about your personal experiences, that's not the point. I certainly DO dislike all this unsubstantiated ad hominem attacks on makers though.

It is a FACT that the sun came up this morning. It is a FACT that George Bush is President. It is a FACT that we are having this converstaion on Bladeforums.com. It is an anecdote at best that Mick Strider told you he was a Marine Corp sniper.

Honestly, I'm done with this. It's childish and boring. Here is what I know...I've been online in these forums a LONG time, longer than the Strider Company has been online. In fact, I was there when they started the forum on Knifeforums with Earl Stewart. From that time until now, in all publications and all posts I've never heard Mick Strider say anything OTHER than that he was in the Army and was a Ranger. Why would he, in light of the fact that his partner IS a USMC Sniper, change his story just for you? You tell me, that's the whole point.

You post as much as you want anonymously and say what you want, that is certainly your right. However now I know how much I should pay attention to your posts. If you are Les Robertson, I'm pretty disappointed because I've always enjoyed what you had to say about the industry and trends.

Last comment from me on this. If your time is SO valuable that you can't possibly use your name because all the groupies might take up your precious time, then I propose that you should probably not post at all. Your time is too valuable.


Jared
 
Jared, you don't divulge your identity, why complain about someone else? If you're not a Strider apologist, why act like one? Mick has used his own words on this forum to demonstrate the kind of man he really is. He doesn't need your help.


Back to the original thought, its interesting how the stories behind the disasters have common themes of hype w/o substance, poor business management, unethical conduct, human problems of sickness, death, etc. Appears that knife collecting is not a sure bet...what else is new?
 
Brownshoe,

My name is Jared Page...read a few post up, it's there in black and white. I know you have a "history" with Strider, who cares. I'm not making any apology for them in the least. I'm saying it's baseless and infantile to pile on someone when you think they are down. WWG had no good reason to throw out a claim that is not in the least way verifiable. Come up with something original. These guys make knives, that's all. Get over it. Believe it or not, I would do the same for anyone in this situation. I think it's ridiculous.


Jared
 
brownshoe said:
Jared, you don't divulge your identity, why complain about someone else? If you're not a Strider apologist, why act like one? Mick has used his own words on this forum to demonstrate the kind of man he really is. He doesn't need your help.


Back to the original thought, its interesting how the stories behind the disasters have common themes of hype w/o substance, poor business management, unethical conduct, human problems of sickness, death, etc. Appears that knife collecting is not a sure bet...what else is new?
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Thanks Brownshoe.
 
Jared,

Rants like yours are exactly why I post in anonimity. See how much time you have wasted and you have gained nothing from it.

We now return you to our regularly schedulded thread.

WWG
 
As far as this thread goes, Strider knives are the opposite of a disaster. The regular line of knives they make have retained their value despite being sold in large numbers. Some of the older ones have gone up in value, most notably the earlier folders which routinely sell for substantially more than their original price. The numbered SMFs have gone into the stratosphere, selling for 400% of their new price and higher! And, the custom knives sell briskly at a premium of the table prices, when you can find one. The pricing has been nicely growing without the hysterical bubble prices that typically foreshadow a potential 'disaster', too. While I personally find it heartening to see the mudslinging having absolutely no effect on their prices, I believe its a reflection of the knives' qualities more than personalities.

As a side note to the rancor above, the topic of who is a sniper gets alot of discussion within the community without any final resolution. In my day, if you served in the billet you were entitled to call yourself a scout/sniper even if you didn't have the 8541 MOS. If you went to the school and were awarded the MOS, then you could call yourself sniper qualified even if you didn't serve in the billet. If you got "sniper training", you were just a rifleman with some extra good training. Nowadays, the majority requires the MOS to accept the title of sniper to be claimed. Directly regarding the rancor, btw, I don't believe Mick EVER said he was a Marine or a sniper, but recognize that time and distance can affect one's memories.
 
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