Custom Knife Purchases - Web Dealer, Collector or Maker?

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For the most part, by what means have you obtained your custom knives, from web dealers, other collectors or direct from makers?

Are there advantages and disadvantages associated with each?
 
I will change my numbers to reflect dealers, but not exclusively web dealers. I have made many purchases at shows, and word-of-mouth leads.

Summary of the Customs I currently own:

Maker direct:...36
Dealers:..........23
Collectors:......17
eBay:..............8

(I have sold and traded at least 50 knives from various sources and I did not include them.)

Upon looking I found it impressive that my greatest numbers were direct with a maker. I like these guys!

Almost each transaction ended with a solid handshake. I take pleasure in all my transactions. There are pitfalls with each player.

Coop
 
Current Collection:

Maker: 29
Dealer: 9
Collector:10

On Order:

Maker: 18
Dealer: 2
 
I purchase directly from the maker. The advantage in this for me is that I get to have some input into how the knife is made. There is another advantage that to me is very important. Most makers have a long enough delivery time that I have a chance to save up for the knife. I don't have a lot of disposable income, so I really like this aspect of ordering direct from the maker.
 
I much prefer getting knives from the maker, but will do what I have to do(as will most of you) to get that special knife that is calling to me.
 
When I was collecting knives, I only had 3 customs and I bought all of them directly from the makers. Then I realized I couldn't afford it so I learned to make my own.
 
All of my customs are forged and all are plain carbon except for a McWilliams fighter and a Fitch damascus fighter. The were aquired in the following fashion.
maker 11
dealer 6
Ebay and other private sellers 8
I also owned 4 Randalls, one of which was a stag handled stick tang Model 14 "one off" bought out of the display case at the Randall shop (not sure you can do that anymore what with the waiting list), a "matching" pair consisting of 6 inch model 1 and 2 with leather handles bought from dealers and one older Model 15 was bought at a local gun shop. Judging by the prices I see nowadays for "oddball" Randalls, I wish I had kept the 14.
 
My Current Collection:
80% - From Maker
10% - From Web Dealer and/or Purveyors (dealers buy and sell; purveyors sell)
10% - From Other Collectors

My first couple years of collecting, I bought most of my knives from Dealer/Purveyor websites as most collectors just starting out find themselves doing. Let's face it, your other options are somewhat limited as you most likely don't know many other collectors. You know "of makers" if you have done research, however stand little chance of buying from them unless you are extremely patient and don't mind the wait or are able to go to shows.
I currently monitor approximately 15 different dealer websites. I will check most at lease once everyday.
Why would I make the effort if only 10% of my collection was purchased in this manner?
Because they contain most of the knife information a collector needs, about makers (most have bio’s), types/styles, prices, what’s available, what's moving, what's not and much more.
There are many advantages and yes some disadvantages in buying from any of the sources mentioned. I will name a few. I’m sure this thread will reveal many more.

Dealer Purchase Advantages:
• Availability - Hundreds of knives only a few key strokes away.
• Expertise of the owner or site personnel for guidance or advice – Les for example, an expert in custom knives and collecting for free.:D
• Good or professionals photos in most cases to aid in decision to purchase.
• Good information on knives to aid in decision to purchase.
• Security – three day inspection period.
• Trade in Policy – Some superb dealers offer previous amount paid toward future trade-in.
• Build relationship with owner which may help in listing and selling your knives on his site at lower commission rates.

Dealer Purchase Disadvantages:
• Possibly higher price: Not necessarily true in all cases, however dealers have to make a profit to stay in business. Most cases 10% to 15% higher than makers.
• Limits your exposure to makers in some cases.
• Risks greater for paying to high a price or buying the wrong knife if working with an unethical dealer.

Collector Purchase Advantages:
• Ability to trade knife for knife.
• Possible availability to special or collector/maker designed knives.
• Often get best price. Sometimes less than they originally paid?

Collector Purchase Disadvantages:
• Very often poor photographs to view before purchasing.
• Very often limited information available on the knives.
• Often price too high.

Maker Purchase Advantages:
• Gain knowledge on knife construction and materials by interacting and communicating with maker.
• Generally able to get lowest price on knives, however many dealers claim to offer same price as maker.
• On “custom design to make” pieces collectors are able to interact with makers and have knife made to their taste.
• Build relationships with the makers to the benefit of both maker and collector. Example is when the collector promotes the maker’s work by posting photos, talking him up, showing collection etc., and maker continues to work to increase interest and overall market to help collector’s knives appreciate in value.
• Maker’s preferred clients usually get first shot at special pieces.
• Maker’s preferred clients may get lower pricing.

Maker Purchase Disadvantages:
Possible long lead times to acquire knives.
 
Collectors: 7
Dealers: 4
Ebay: 4
Makers: 17

I've done most of my purchasing through makers directly, though only about 7 of the pieces I acquired direct were custom orders. I've been lucky enough to have had really good experiences all the way around so far. I think I've gotten the best deals buying from other collectors and paid the highest prices overall on dealer purchases, but were harder to come by pieces. Buying direct from makers is my favorite way to go.
 
but will do what I have to do(as will most of you) to get that special knife that is calling to me.

Which you may turn in a nanosecond from the time you get it.:p (Just joking, sort of):D

My numbers are about similar to Kevin's.

One disadvantage that I have found buying directly from maker is if it is a custom order, and you are not happy with it. Not the design, but if one, or more of the many "gigs", "flaws" or "oopsies" that can show up in a piece are present. Like a crack in the handle that might have just appeared in transit.

It can REALLY suck to point this out to a maker, especially if you are on friendly, but not especially close terms. The risk of alienating the maker is always a possibility.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
maker: 30
dealer: 20
collector: 5
ebay: 1

i have bought from makers almost exclusively lately. more satisfying, somehow. most makers are a pleasure to deal with!

hans
 
I'll look at the dealers first. If they don't have what I want i'll inquire with a maker. I've waited years for some knives and swords. One katana I've been waiting about 5 years on for full completion and it's still not finished. Never again. I'd like to see and enjoy them sooner, thank you.

Now if the wait is too long with a maker i'll wait for a dealer - who most likely has a closer place in line than me - to get knives that may suit my tastes posted on their site. The only downfall is the tax and mark-up from some of them. At least the couple I have dealt with. It can hurt real bad with the pricey ones. The way to deal with it is to convince yourself the extra money is bought time. Which it basically is...
 
One disadvantage that I have found buying directly from maker is if it is a custom order, and you are not happy with it. Not the design, but if one, or more of the many "gigs", "flaws" or "oopsies" that can show up in a piece are present. Like a crack in the handle that might have just appeared in transit.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

That's a good point STeven, especially if you have been waiting for a couple years.
 
Current collection:

Direct from maker:10
From fellow Bladeforums collectors:17 :thumbup: :cool:

Doug
 
90% directly from makers; the other 10% in trades or purchases from other collectors. Now, I'm all customs. The only way to go. Bill
 
STeven: I just re-handled a knife that had a cracked handle. The customer had asked for synthetic. I used Mammoth ivory (didn't charge him for it-Wanted to surprise him). The handle cracked a week after he got the knife.

My point is, these things should have no bearing on a customer/maker relationship. Sh** happens, we fix it and things go on. At least, that is how it's supposed to be.
 
STeven: I just re-handled a knife that had a cracked handle. The customer had asked for synthetic. I used Mammoth ivory (didn't charge him for it-Wanted to surprise him). The handle cracked a week after he got the knife.

My point is, these things should have no bearing on a customer/maker relationship. Sh** happens, we fix it and things go on. At least, that is how it's supposed to be.

That's a great attitude to have RJ.
To STeven's point it's usually just a small issue or condition (scuff on metal, adhesive residue etc.) that the collector is hesitant to mention to the maker as the maker may be offended that his ability is being questioned. In most cases it's just something the maker overlooked as he was rushing to get several knives ready for a show or something. Collectors can be a little picky considering the money involved and waiting time to get pieces.
 
The largest portion approx.90% directly from the makers.The rest from the secondary market. Sadly the maker who's work makes up the largest percentage of my collection has passed away.
 
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