Custom V Custom

Dick,

Sounds good! Got a pic? would love to see one. Have a URL?

Thanx ;-)

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Paul
Custom Knife Purveyor
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viper:as somewhat of a lurker myself IMO you sometimes leap before looking.The thread you started had no meaning.IMHO


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Hi Dick,

A couple of things.

First, Corbet makes some great knives.

However, your definition of his work as Custom is not relevant to this conversation.

As you did not include why (other than if you have ever seen one you'd know).

You are letting personal feelings enter into this. This is one of the reasons I left the other thread. It was turning into a popularity contest.

We are looking for a precise definition of custom knives.

You point out that Corbet does not use Laser or CNC (well actually your not sure). Let me assure you he does not.

However, you have now entered into a new realm of controversy. That being does it make a difference at how the maker arrives at the blank he or she uses for the blade.

Hack Saw
Band Saw
Laser
EDM
Wire
Water

All of thse do one thing and one thing only. Provide a blade blank to grind into a finished blade.

Goes back to my Handmade comments. Literally there are no such knives. But like the term custom, handmade and hand crafted have lost their exact literal meanings and have taken on the generic definition used in the current custom knife lexicon.

So Dick, the fact you use Corbet as a reference is not really germane to this thread.

If it was, we could use that Kit Carson guy who keeps putting his .2 cents in. As an example. Ive been buying knives from Kit for 14 years. I saw his first folders at a knife show in Lexington Kentucky looooooooooong time ago.

I think he is really coming along. Another 4 or 5 years and he should really have this custom knife thing figured out.
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Dick, your comments are the equivelant to me saying I have bought, sold, traded, handled and looked at over $100,000,000.00 worth of custom knives in the last 16 years! So it is my opinion that should really count.

Of course than Paul Basch can come along and say he has looked at $200,000,000.00 worth of cusotm knives in the last 25 years. So it should be his opinion that really counts.

I think you see my point.

Truth is, every collector decides for themselves. Which is as it should be.



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Les Robertson
www.robertsoncustomcutlery.com
Custom Knife Entrepreneur
 
Damm, this is one of the funniest threads I have read in a while! With Les as cheerleader it seems appropriate.
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Kit, I took your recommendation!
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I just got my adjustable barstool over by the grinder. Spun her all the way down so I had leverage and could get my feet past my tool rest. Kinda reminded me of the wife getting a pabst smear!
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Put some baby powder on my feet and strapped on a 4 inch clip point on my Left big toe and used my Right big toe to stabilize the blade. Grind lines are pretty straight and I can really get a good push on the blade into the Ceramic belt by backing my chair up with my heat treat oven. Only hard part was dipping the blade and my feet into the bucket! Had to go out in the shed and get a 5 gallon bucket to make them all fit at once. I now have the ability to walk across hot burning coals without self inflicting wounds.

Now I can claim my knives are, Foot ground, hand assembled, materials bought, bleed on, cussed at, custom, semi custom, production, semi production, benchmade, one of a kind, not one of a kind, handmade, forged, not forged, hot rolled, cold rolled, stainless, not so stainless, heat treated, knives!
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Come on, guys! Quit clowning!

We all know the best way to do it is put the grinder on the floor and park your butt on the workbench!

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Tom Anderson
Tan-Toes 'n Udder Cutters

[This message has been edited by Tom Anderson (edited 03-03-2001).]
 
I misuse the word custom all the time. Simply because it has become the word used to describe any handmade knife.

In all actuality there are seperate catagories that knives should be put in if we desire to refer to them in their "Correct" terms.

Custom made: this would be anything made to an individuals specified requirements. It could be made by hand or by machines, but if it is made to the specified requirements of the customer, then it is Custom made. The knife does not have to be a one of a kind. If a maker makes a knife to your unique specs and not from his regular line, it is a custom. Now say I see the knife and ask the same maker to make me that knife. It will be custom made as well, because there were no plans of it being made again(not in his product line)until I asked for it to be made for ME.

Hand Made: Any knife in which the majority of(blade and handle) was created by the makers hands. Tools and machines can be used, but the knife, or the machine/tool should be controlled by the makers hands. Components such as pins rivets and small accessories can be machined and not made by hand.

Production made: Any knife, in which the majority(blade and handle) of, was made by machines, and produced in large numbers.

So, to recap: Any maker who makes, by hand, a lot of the same knife and sells them to those that order them, is making “handmade” knives.

Any maker that creates a knife, by hand or otherwise, to the specified requirements of a customer, is making “custom made” knives.

Any maker producing knives in large quantities that are made largely by machines is making “production” knives.

I think this is a good outline. Maybe there are some holes in this theory, if so, please comment. I am interested in hearing what you all have to say.

Like I mentioned previously though, I misuse the terms. I refer to all knives made by hand as “custom made” instead of the proper term of “hand Made”.


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Louis Buccellato
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