Customer Satisfaction

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As you know, we at Admiral Steel have recently had a problem brought to our attention that created a very serious problem for some of our customers that had ordered from our web site. Credit card numbers were accessible on the site without our knowledge. We know of no actual misuse of anyone’s number but we take this unfortunate error very seriously. Upon being notified that file access was possible by one of your members, we took the immediate action required to stop all access and remove the file by shutting down our on-line ordering site. It will remain down until we have it completely rewritten. Be assured that the future corrected on-line site will be checked by experts to ensure security. We know this has been a problem for many people and we sincerely apologize. We welcome further feedback on this issue. We will seriously take all suggestions into consideration. Please contact us for assistance if needed in getting cards identified so you can take actions necessary to protect your account.

In addition to this problem, we have also been made aware of customer service problems in the past that had not been brought to our attention. We have read postings on the knifemaking forums in an effort to find out what is being discussed about Admiral Steel. We want to evaluate our past performance and make changes necessary to be the “Knifemaker’s Choice” in a steel supplier. If you have a specific incident you want us to know about, please contact us. Due to these problems, we are laying all our cards on the table. We have had problems in the past and we are asking you, our customers, what we need to do to become the “Knifemaker’s Choice” for steel. We want to fix problems and create a secure, friendly, efficient and cost effective steel source for knifemakers. We have decided the best way to do this is to ask the customer, you people – our existing customers and our potential customers what you want. We welcome your candid comments and suggestions on how we can improve our service and our relationship with the knifemaking community. Tell us problems encountered and what we might do to correct them. We will take every suggestion and discuss it in our sales meetings in order to make necessary changes to improve our company and service.

In addition, we have also decided to take a more active role in the knifemaking community. We have signed up as a member of this forum and most other forums. We will make ourselves available there for questions regarding our products, heat treating, laser cutting, availability of steels we sell and new steels we are researching that may be of interest. We will be visiting the forum weekly to read postings addressed to us, as Admiral Steel. For our input address your message to Admiral Steel, we will find it. We will not be soliciting sales in these posts, just trying to be of help in any way we can. We want to continue our support past the point of sale.

There you have it, our cards are on the table. We want to hear from you. Please post your suggestions here in this thread or send them to terry@admiralsteel.com or call me at 800-323-7055.

We are planning to show in a special way that listening and improving and appreciation of your business are our goals. Watch for a special announcement appearing on our web site in the near future.

If you like what we are doing, tell someone. If you don’t like what we are doing – TELL US.
Sincerely,

Terry J. Summers
Vice President
Admiral Steel

Please NOTE - A hearty “THANK YOU” goes to Bob Warner for his generous help.
 
Appreciate your coming over to talk to us. Hope you like it here.

I have cross-linked this to the Shop-Talk forum where it may collect more bladesmith attention.
 
Welcome to Bladeforums! I'll move this thread to the Shop Talk forum for you -- that's where the knifemakers are.
 
Terry:

you want an honest and candid opinion.. then cancel your contract with your current web hosting company.. THEY STILL HAVE NOT FIXED A MAJOR PROBLEM THAT WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION. (the reason why Bob was able to find out about the file, then download it..)

I've communicated with Bob about this issue. and to put it bluntly, the company you hired to host your site, failed to setup the web server to the most BASIC security standards (that any 1st year university student would do)

This one specific item I'm talking about , is the ability to "browse" web directories (like a file system).. it's web site 101, to disable this, and in almost every "how to setup a website book/FAQ" etc.

Example
http://www.admiralsteel.com/products/

Also.. does the following look familiar???


"$MAILSYS="/usr/lib/sendmail $mailto";
#
$CARTS="/admiralsteel/order/carts";
$CGILOC="/admiralsteel/order";
$HTMLLOC="/admiralsteel/order/ordermenu.html";
$FTPSERVER="http://www.admiralsteel.com/admiralsteel/order/forder.cgi";
$CCSERVER="http://www.admiralsteel.com/admiralsteel/order/ccget.cgi";
$SECURE="http://www.admiralsteel.com/admiralsteel/order/weborder.cgi";
$PROCESS="http://www.admiralsteel.com/admiralsteel/order/weborder.cgi";
"

it's the source code to part of your "webcart" which I downloaded off your website (just now) and if you still had your old system up, I could easily use it for fraudulant purposes...


AdmiralSteel said:
As you know, we at Admiral Steel have recently had a problem brought to our attention that created a very serious problem for some of our customers that had ordered from our web site.
we took the immediate action required to stop all access and remove the file by shutting down our on-line ordering site. It will remain down until we have it completely rewritten. Be assured that the future corrected on-line site will be checked by experts to ensure security.

We welcome your candid comments and suggestions on how we can improve our service and our relationship with the knifemaking community. Tell us problems encountered and what we might do to correct them.
 
I agree that you have some work to do on your site Terry. That's a tech issue and since you are not taking online CC orders, I won't comment on it. wtf123 seems much better educated on the matter anyway. Lord knows, our website needs work so I can't throw stones.

I have to admit that I admire the way you are dealing with the issue now. Damage control is always difficult and with many companies that have problems, their ego's just won't let them be honest and get on with restoration.

After venting in an earlier post, I said that I wasn't injured and was going to keep quiet and see how you handled it. I have and you have and I'm impressed with the effort.
 
Hi Terry,
Glad to see Armor's willing to focus on the individual knifemaker.

I lived in Oak Lawn when I last made an order - didn't use the online system, just phoned and then dropped by. Now this was some months ago but when I asked for 1084 and 1095 barstock over the phone, I was informed by a lady in your office that you didn't carry these steels in barstock. Incredulous, I went to your office anyway and one of the gentlemen in the shop came out and set me up.

Is there a "go to" person specifically for knifemakers? If you haven't done so already, it may not be a bad idea to have one of your phone people trained specifically for that. I'll order some 5160 pretty soon and let you know how it goes.

Tim
 
think it's nice to give Bob credit you need to hire him to do your trouble shooting and to deal with the knifemakers, he saved your butts.
Bob Barnett
 
The last time I ordered steel from Admiral a lady took the call and informed me that Terry wasn't available. She screwed up the order beyond belief, wrong size, wrong steel and I haven't ordered from Admiral since. That's been a while back. If I see that the problem has been corrected, to my satisfaction, I'll consider ordering from Admiral again, but I will only order from Terry.
 
Well said, Peter. Cool heads prevail. I am looking out to see how the fix it goes. Admiral offered a nice apology, and I give a thumbs up for the steel folks for that much. Edited to add, thanks for coming here,Terry. And it's nice to have you here as a member.
 
I believe that Terry addressed the problems that the company is having and the corrective actions that will be taken. I am in the same place as the other Forumites. If you do as you say and show improvement I will direct my busy to your company. I also feel that you should have a Sales Rep./ Order Entry Person who is very well versed in the knife-making arena. I am not say to have an employee just allocation to the world of knife-makers. I wouldn't even mind, talking to a person from the shop floor that is even close to the product line.
 
Terry, nice to see you step up on this.

I appreciate the fact you have one the largest single source selection of materials out there for knife makers. You have increased your assortment over the last few years to accomodate requests - which is great. I always found it handy to be able to place an order on-line over the weekend when it was most convenient for me. Hopefully the security holes will get patched up and that can be re-activated. I'm also one of those that stopped getting ATS-34 from Admiral a few years back due to the blotchy appearance and have switched to 154CM from Crucible.

I'd like to see wider bars or even sheets of 416ss. I'd also like a larger size assortment of S30V and 52100. RWL-34 would be nice too.
 
AdmiralSteel said:
We will seriously take all suggestions into consideration. Please contact us for assistance if needed in getting cards identified so you can take actions necessary to protect your account.


Terry:

Please help me out here.. I'm a bit confused.. I can honestly think from your post, that you are trying to fix this situation, yet it would seem that from your actions you are still falling back to your old ways..

1) Someone (me) pointed out a major flaw in your web site.
2) You don't seem to want to acknowledge it.
3) It's still there 3 days later
4) I'm pretty sure you saw the post as your last "activity date" is today..
5) IT's a THIRTY SECOND FIX
6) The problem is still there as of tonight (Monday)



If you want to show you are trying to improve, then do it.. Put your money where your mouth is..

(I'm always available to test/recomend more fixing if you want it..)
 
Well, Its not like I would have ordered much from AdmiralSteel
anyway...., but, man!....what an odd way they have to run things.

It will be interesting to see if they do note the problems that wtf123 has warned them about this past weekend.

Or is the real problem, that no one at AdmiralSteel works weekends so that a problem that is noticed on Friday is still there when they punch-in on Monday morning?....
 
I haven't ordered from Admiral for a while, largely because I found a company whose website works flawlessly (for me), whose prices are unbeatable and whose shipments arrive at my door within two days. This works because my present requirements are simple: O1.

Last time I ordered from Admiral, probably two years ago, I wanted both high carbon and stainless steels... Had to talk to two people because apparently that's how the company is organized. I cannot remember if I had to pay two shipping charges, but I suspect if I had I'd remember it so probably that part was okay.

What I do remember though was that when the steel arrived I had one heck of a time getting the packaging open - I had to use a saw. This should have been a good thing: I'd expect the product to be in good shape. However, the bar I got looked like a bow. Even short pieces cut off it had an obvious curve. No one wants to spend time straightening steel - life is too short.

I appreciated Terry's forthcoming statement but would like to hear followup on wtf123's discovery.

The jury's still out on this one. One of these days I'll start using stainless again, so it'd be nice to have a reliable, competetive source. Here's hoping you guys can earn my business.
 
I would like an answer from Terry on this matter.

What does Admiral Steel plan on doing on behalf of Mr. Warner for all of his efforts? In all honesty he has put forth countless hours of research, fielding emails and phone calls for your business. HE did all of the legwork to save your Company's behind in this matter. I see promises of working on steel quality and the way customers are handled in the future, but lets not forget the hard work and dedication Bob laid out for all of this to happen.

I for one think that the company should compensate him in some fashion for all of his hard work.
 
Terry - thanks for signing up and posting here at BFC. Takes guts to do the right thing. Unfortunately, word travels fast and it's going to take some time, I imagine, for folks to adjust.

Personally, the last order I got from Admiral came quick and the pieces were longer than ordered (which is a nice gesture). I think as long as you fix the site - and make sure to let us know when that happens - the grievances will go away.



There's been a lot of talk on this forum about precut blanks in stainless not being up to spec - when ordered from Admiral. Just FYI.


Dan


p.s. Welcome to Bladeforums!
 
wtf123 said:
Terry:


$CCSERVER="http://www.admiralsteel.com/admiralsteel/order/ccget.cgi";
$SECURE="http://www.admiralsteel.com/admiralsteel/order/weborder.cgi";
$PROCESS="http://www.admiralsteel.com/admiralsteel/order/weborder.cgi";
"
it's the source code to part of your "webcart" which I downloaded off your website (just now) and if you still had your old system up, I could easily use it for fraudulant purposes...

if seems to be the key word here.
I talk to terry or no one else .
he is trying we can see that.
terry don't do web sites and
we all don't know how web savvy Terry is.
so being rude don't cut it, for me at least.

do you know?? where,, terry is new here,, even is set up to get
email confirmations of post ? could this be why no replies?
you don't know why?

maybe we should burn some real witches.. :rolleyes:
I'm going to stop before I get going..:grumpy:
 
Dan:
No offense but if you had read or heard some of the treatment Bob got while trying to help them out I think you might, maybe have a diffrent outlook. I saw the e-mails and was present during one of the calls. Don't want to offend you. so please don't take it that way.
Peace
Bob Barnett
 
Dan:

Back when this originally happened I was in contact with Bob (W), about the problem (and identified several more) and like Bob (B) said, you don't know the whole story.. I was trying to let it be, and hope Terry would improve (and have not needed to bring it back up)

Your correct Terry does not do web sites, but he did hire a company who's job it is to do them, and problems were pointed out.. I don't know why Terry has not contacted them to identify/fix the problems.(more then just the file with the CC numbers) I'm hoping he will, or let us know why not.. If the problems continue to exist, then they only look bad on him, not his web company (since we do not deal with the web company)

If you think I was being rude, then you took it the wrong way. Terry came on here claiming to want to make ammends and was asking for suggestions, I mearly pointed them out.. (Example, does he know that the hosting company which I'm sure he is paying good money to, would be laughed out of most places if they did that configuration for other companies.. I've been in the internet consulting (4 years security) for 10 years. and personally I would be seriously mad (and consider legal action against the web hosting company) if they did that to me.. ) you are correct, he's not a computer guy, but the people he is paying today are doing a SERIOUSLY sub standard job, and unless someone points it out to him, he's going to continue with them, and get burned yet again.)


Terry may be new "here" but I'm sure he's been running a business for a while, and it does not take any technology at all, to know how to be good at customer service..
 
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