damascus billets off ebay

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ok fellas bought a 12"x2" raindrop damascus billett of ebay for 40$ plus15$ shipping 12x2 for 55$ not bad huh right well its deffinetely "REAL" damascus but what steel its made from is another story description states its 1095 and 15n20 ive ground it shaped it etched it and the color treated so it looks amazaing... but will it hold an edge hummmm anybody have any experience with ebay damascus from conneticuit brooklyn or even INDIA.....
 
Only damascus Ive gotten off ebay is alabama damascus, ofcourse it was from the maker and they have a good track record and a real store that you can order from also.

I usually special order thru Mike Turner or Randy at HHH.
 
If you are careful, search and know what you are buying you can score some deals. A few weeks ago I bought a bar of Mike Norris stainless damascus that was 18in long for $80 shipped.
 
There is so much Pakistani damascus on eBay that I'd be very careful buying steel there. If I didn't make my own I'd buy from guys on the forums. I'd hate not knowing EXACTLY what I'm getting. At 40$ a billet I bet your steel is from Pakistan or India. I've seen knife suppliers selling those same billets so I bet they will harden ok but who knows how well it will perform.
 
oh yeah im sure its from out of country but does that mean its horrible stuff. i heat treated in a forge to demagnatizing temp and rapidly quenched in parksthen tempered at 400 for 1 hour 2 cycles then polished up and color treated at 500 for about 30-40 mins.. its hard it looks damn good but will hold an edge im gonna sharpen it up today until it shaves then start slicing up some 1" rope until it stops shavin and ill let yall know if i would guess this billett came from india (dont ask how i kniw that) i wonder how many car bumpers and soda cans it takes ro get billett that size
 
i wonder how many car bumpers and soda cans it takes ro get billett that size

Haha! Man for what you paid for it, as long as it will keep an edge even for a little bit and you're happy then that's all that matters! I made one of my first knives out of an old file. While it wasn't ideal and wasn't pretty, I loved it and no one could sway that.
Use the heck out of it and get every pennies worth out of it... And then some!
 
I've seen some horrible damascus blades come out of Pakistan and China, and I've seen some phenomenal damascus blades come out of Pakistan and China. I've got a stainless damascus san-mai folder that has perfect grind lines, even bevels, finished to at least 600 grit and an amazing pattern for $50. The liners and guards are absolute junk but I can't find any flaws in the blade. I can usually find at least a couple flaws in any blade no matter who made it.

I think Pakistan and China made blades are a lot like handmade blades at a knife show. Some are amazing and you think the maker was amazing. Then on some you have to wonder why they are trying to sell the first knife they ever made.
 
One thing I have noticed is that almost all damascus of unknown source seems to be labeled "1095 and 15N20". While that is a good mix, it seems strange that nearly all of the ebay and low price damascus is that exact mix? I have also noticed that these billets seem to etch in very different ways, which would be surprising since they all are supposedly the same mix.

Years back I used to have contact with a damascus maker in India and another in Pakistan. They both implied they used whatever was available at low cost and in good supply to make the damascus with.
The product from the Pakistani was surprisingly far better than the one from India.
The Indian maker was providing billets to the "******* Forge" company that (at that time) was making many of the knives, swords, and museum replicas sold online. I met his cousin in Atlanta, at Blade. I asked him how they could sell a 30" bar of damascus for $100. He said that his cousin would use everything from manhole covers to 55 gallon drums in his steel mix....if the price was right.
Since some of these billets will max out at Rc54, I tend to think he was at least partly telling the truth.
 
hey zaph btw that was ur atlas i heat treated in....And i woukd never buy a knife from some crazy 3rd world ebay guy but i am a Knife Maker and seller and dont wanna put my name on a pile of junk so u gotta think if a knife from whoknowsitswhereville is 20$ and i got a billett for 50$ could be legit. but just wondering if its claim of 1095 and 15 n20 is the real deal.. ill get some before and after pics up and i want honest opinions
 
willie71 damn buddy u got it .. now what does this mean that it will hold a good edge no matter what mystery steel it could possibly be made of ... is it really 1095 and 15n20 as stated and i got a smoking good deal can carbumpers and tin cans treated to 58 hold an edge...
 
not from what i talked to the metallurgist about he states a 500 soak for 30-40 mins would bring it down a point or so if anything at all. and repeat soaks at the same temps for same time helps stabilize the steel not bring it down more as well so 2-3 soaks at 400 for 1 hour a piece allowing to cool in between yields the same hrc as the firat soak it just helps stabilize at that hardness with repeat soaks
 
Different steels will have different edge holding, but if it is Rc58 after 500f temper, there is enough carbon in there to make a decent knife. Since the carbon migrates during the welding, it must have had some decent steel in there to start with, or at least a high carbon component. There are several ways to get there, but it could very well be 1095 and 15n20.
 
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