Damascus steel question

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Hi everyone, I am a total newbe at knife making and I have seen on ebay some sellers in India selling damascus knifes all made and etched, all you need to do is put your handle on, my question, is this real damascus and is it any good?

Another question, I live in Hawaii, on the Big Island, is there any members who live on the Big island or does anone know of any knife makers in Hawaii that I might be able to visit and learn a bit?? Thanks and aloha.

Kalai
 
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Farmer Phil is in Hawaii, not sure which island. He is a good guy and a solid member here.

The damascus from India is true mystery steel. What you get is anyone's guess. Probably hand forged from whatever they stripped from a salvaged ship with no real idea what steel they were starting with. If you want to start out with a damascus blank I would suggest you get on made by someone who uses 15n20 and 1080 or 1095. The steel is the heart of any knife. Without it the rest is for naught. You sometimes see blanks on the for sale section here. Ebay also has some makers that list what they make their damascus from. One thing to consider with damascus is are the 2 steels compatible as to heat treat. A bunch of listings on Ebay (I was just checking) list the blanks as spring steel and carbon steel and says they were hardened in salt water. First of all What carbon steel? There are many "carbon steels" and most don't make good knives, next of all I don't know of any spring steel that is water hardening. Spring steel that is suitable for knives is oil hardening. Plus spring steel and true high carbon steel that is suitable for knives are not really that compatible in damascus. The topic of India and Pakistan damascus is one topic you will find very little debate among knowledgeable knife makers.
 
ib2v4u has good info.
Alabama Damascus ( on ebay) is a good damascus maker. I know Brad, and his stuff is well made and at a good price. The blade supply catalog companies sell damascus,too.

The stuff from India is usually either unhardened, or if hardened - not all that hard. It won't hold an edge .The steel is anybodies guess. It is fine for wall hangers, I suppose, but won't often make a usable knife.
I was in a discussion at Blade with one of the suppliers from India years back, and he made the funniest comment. When I asked what a certain maker ( name deliberately omitted) used for his steels, the reply was, " OH,he is my cousin..... he uses man-hole covers !". In a later conversation, I found what that statement meant. There are several foundry/forge companies in India that provide to the replica/museum/cheap blade markets that use any scrap steel they can get cheap. The standard joke is that they steal the man-hole covers off the streets to forge into knives. Translation- any steel they can get their hands on.

There is one ( probably others) well known seller on the show circuit who buys these cheap blades and sells them. Some he makes into knives and others he sells as is. He claims that he makes them all by hand, and fully hardens them. They are all soft and useless. I can't believe that he sells so many, but sadly, many buyers look at the pattern, and don't know anything about the steel. It is sort of like buying a car because you like the color, but don't have any idea if it runs well or not.

Stacy
 
Bought the cheapest knife the guy from India had to test the water, came quite quick but had a few small cracks where the Damascus meets the mild steel tang plus one crack had been welded, took pictures and sent them to him and he has replaced it with a blade that has yet again been welded. blade is quite hard and would have been a good cutter if not for the cracks.
Richard
 
Kalai, welcome to BF. There are a few knife makers in HI and they are good guys!

Like said above, stay away from the India stuff. It's no good!
 
Hi everyone, thanks for the replies, I figured it was too good to be true, and yes I was drooling over the Alabama Damascus on ebay, I was thinking if Inda was no good I was going to get the Alabama and that is what I will be doing. Aloha.

Kalai
 
Hey Kalai,

Here are some folks. I'm running out of steam, so I'm going to end my searching for others. I'd be pleased for a visit when you get to Oahu, although I'm a beginner myself. I've played a little making damascus at Indian George's in Mass. I'm hoping to get a press of sorts working to do some more. Maybe we could talk about your wood gathering? Got anything sweet with lots of figure?

All the best, Phil

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Had a customer bring me an Indian made Damacus Bowie some years back. He wanted me to HT it, and put a grip on it. He had paid $80.00 for this blade. I tried oil quenching with no luck, and it would not even harden in water. Nice pattern though.
 
Hi Phil, yes I do have some highly figured woods, a lot of curly Koa too, let me know what you need, aloha.

Kalai
 
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