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damned UK knife laws
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What he said. Seriously.
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It appears that the colonies are about to get another round of citizens that are tired of laws and beliefs. Ere in the colonies rules are a bit more relaxed (generally speaking) I think ( and I am not 100% sure) We Texans are limited to under a 10 inch length(pertaining to knife lengths) if ya grew em keep em. No regs on them yet LOL
So much misinformation!
It is NOT illegal to carry more than a 3" slippy, you however do need to provide a reason that is genuine if you are questioned by police. And these stories about people being arrested for carrying pen knives is just bs.
And adequate storage of firearms is a GOOD thing. A gun safe that holds 5 long guns in my local gun shop costs £120. That's hardly expensive if you consider a pair of Nike trainers is £80+!
And again, misinformation about handguns. They are prohibited to the general public, but not everyone. With a section 5 firearms certificate one can own handguns, fully automatic repeaters etc. Only the home office can allow a person to have a sec 5 but my local gun shop owner has one so it can't be that hard. He owns multiple handguns, including a 1911.
Theres more..! Every British citizen has the 'right' to own a shotgun, unless their local chief of police has an objection to you personally. And unlike standard firearms (rifles etc held on a section 1 cert) you do NOT need a specific reason to own one. 'Sporting' is enough for the form and providing you have a police approved safe securely bolted to a main wall fixture and aren't a criminal you will almost definitely get a shotgun. Standard section 2 (shotgun cert) allows semi, pump etc but not full auto and a Max may capacity of 2+1. Ammo restrictions prohibit buckshot and slugs (section 1 required for that) but you can fire smaller buckshot sizes if the pellets are under 6mm I believe.
Also, I've never had the need for a big knifenin public. My pocket knife does just fine and I only need more when
I'm at home, camping or in the work shop.
We are all entitled to our own opinion, despite what misinformation gets tossed about but please read the law properly before making an assumption of what is good and bad about this island.
It is NOT illegal to carry more than a 3" slippy, you however do need to provide a reason that is genuine if you are questioned by police. And these stories about people being arrested for carrying pen knives is just bs.
And adequate storage of firearms is a GOOD thing. A gun safe that holds 5 long guns in my local gun shop costs £120. That's hardly expensive if you consider a pair of Nike trainers is £80+!
And again, misinformation about handguns. They are prohibited to the general public, but not everyone. With a section 5 firearms certificate one can own handguns, fully automatic repeaters etc. Only the home office can allow a person to have a sec 5 but my local gun shop owner has one so it can't be that hard. He owns multiple handguns, including a 1911.
Theres more..! Every British citizen has the 'right' to own a shotgun, unless their local chief of police has an objection to you personally. And unlike standard firearms (rifles etc held on a section 1 cert) you do NOT need a specific reason to own one. 'Sporting' is enough for the form and providing you have a police approved safe securely bolted to a main wall fixture and aren't a criminal you will almost definitely get a shotgun. Standard section 2 (shotgun cert) allows semi, pump etc but not full auto and a Max may capacity of 2+1. Ammo restrictions prohibit buckshot and slugs (section 1 required for that) but you can fire smaller buckshot sizes if the pellets are under 6mm I believe.
Also, I've never had the need for a big knifenin public. My pocket knife does just fine and I only need more when
I'm at home, camping or in the work shop.
We are all entitled to our own opinion, despite what misinformation gets tossed about but please read the law properly before making an assumption of what is good and bad about this island.
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It's about people control, plain and simple. They use the (saving lives) as a ruse to control the people, and a lot of people buy it.
The only way we will lose our freedoms here in the usa is if we give it to them, they know this, so they use media to scare the crap out of most people to give it up.
The only way we will lose our freedoms here in the usa is if we give it to them, they know this, so they use media to scare the crap out of most people to give it up.
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Texas laws divide knives into 2 categories - legal and illegal. Legal means "legal to carry in public, concealed or open, either way". Illegal means "not legal to carry in public, with a few screwy exceptions" (re-enactments, dramas, undefined ceremonial occasions).
Legal knives are - blade less than 5.5 inches as measured in a straight line from tip to guard (or where the guard would be) AND single edged.
Illegal knives are - everything else.
That's it. Period. For the State of Texas. A very few cities have enacted ordinances/regulations placing additional limits on otherwise legal knives.
San Antonio - No locking folding knives of any length. Slip joint and fixed blades - no restrictions.
Corpus Christi - No fixed blades. Folding knives of any type - 3 Inches
Dallas County - 4 Inch limit in some areas.
Dallas the city - no knives of any sort in public libraries.
Houston - no knives on city property, with no definition or description or explanation about what constitutes "city property"
There may be other local laws of which I have no knowledge.
It's not just the knife issues. A couple hundred years ago Englishmen gave up everything and moved to America so they could go to the church of their choice, or not go at all. Seems like Britain has always had a habit of taking away rights.
Texas laws divide knives into 2 categories - legal and illegal. Legal means "legal to carry in public, concealed or open, either way". Illegal means "not legal to carry in public, with a few screwy exceptions" (re-enactments, dramas, undefined ceremonial occasions).
Legal knives are - blade less than 5.5 inches as measured in a straight line from tip to guard (or where the guard would be) AND single edged.
Illegal knives are - everything else.
That's it. Period. For the State of Texas. A very few cities have enacted ordinances/regulations placing additional limits on otherwise legal knives.
San Antonio - No locking folding knives of any length. Slip joint and fixed blades - no restrictions.
Corpus Christi - No fixed blades. Folding knives of any type - 3 Inches
Dallas County - 4 Inch limit in some areas.
Dallas the city - no knives of any sort in public libraries.
Houston - no knives on city property, with no definition or description or explanation about what constitutes "city property"
There may be other local laws of which I have no knowledge.
I live in both the city and county of Dallas and had no idea that there was a knife ordinance, which is kind of embarrassing since I'm an attorney (not criminal but still)...In a realistic sense, LEOs usually couldn't care less if you have a knife on you as long as you aren't using it in a criminal fashion. Practically speaking, to get charged with UCW (Unlawful carrying of a weapon), you have to be a)stupid b)blatant or (most likely) c)both.
I feel for the UK, I spent a semester there back in college and really enjoyed it but sadly the Empire seems to have decided to become the world's collective cesspool of immigrants at some point in the 70s. They seem to welcome any filth from the third world but are so apt to legislate and control every aspect of their own citizens' lives, especially with pointless laws like banning handguns and locking knives, that they have lost sight of what it really takes to keep order in a decent society.
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+10 on "C"
I found the Dallas laws just by chance while looking for other info on Dallas. I had never heard of Dallas (county or city) having any knife regulations and I visited my sisters and b-n-ls up there frequently. Never had a problem, but then my EDCs are 2x Kabar 1232s, a BK11 and a pair of Bucks (482/484), all of which are 4" or less. And I never went to a library up there. We really need to help Doug and Knife Rights get the pre-emption bill passed next session.
I didn't know Dallas even had any public libraries...the preemption died in committee last session and really got nowhere unfortunately, we did get the auto ban repeal though, so that was good (not for my bank account though). Next session isn't until 2015, the bill will likely be introduced again, as will open carry of handguns. Both Abbott and Davis have said that they support open carry, although last session it also died in committee. I think there is good momentum for both that and the preemption, but both are far from certainties. I want open carry to pass butthat troupe of jackasses who keep holding marches in the major TX cities need to knock it off, their antics are setting the cause back more than helping it.
The thing I'd really like to see passed is a change in the CHL prohibited places law, the 51% issue specifically. I drink alcohol about a dozen times a year tops, but frequently have to disarm (of my gun) when going out to dinner, even when I'm not going to consume a drop of alcohol. I agree that people drinking shouldn't be armed with guns, but I find the blanket prohibition excessive.
Shortening the CHL training to 4 hours was a bad idea, I was talking about this and the auto legalization with a couple friends who practice criminal defense. We were all in agreement with the prediction that the rate of CHL holders getting arrested is going to rise.
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I agree with the shortening being a potentially bad thing. It is all dependent on the quality of the instructor.
The preemption bill actually made it out of committee and onto the House Calendar. Unfortunately, it was THE LAST BILL on the calendar. Never, ever in either the State of Texas or Republic of Texas legislative history, all the way back to 1837, has the last bill EVER made it to a vote.
At least it made it to the calendar.
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Far from it in the UK. Because of their strict gun laws, knives are used in most crimes. This leads to the cops being very strict about them.
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Under uk law, a fixed blade knife is the same thing as a locking folder. There was an issue with their scouts afew years ago where they were warned not to bring fixed blade knives camping because they wernt sure if camping fit the criteria for haveing a reasonable need.
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Failed history, didn't you?
Guess who wrote all our rights into the US Constitution? Englishmen, following the example of their forefathers of the Magna Carta, and Oliver Cromwell whose men overthrew a monarchy and executed the king. Lots more where that came from. Read about the British fighting back in WW II, rebuilding from air raids, taking the war to the Germans.
There is a reason we speak English and jealously defend our rights as Englishmen -- OK, we call it American rights now.
Societies become urban and industrial and the rules become tighter. The rules can be loosened, too, if the people have had enough of being stifled. Catching them at a bad moment and pontificating on their sad fate is naive.
Failed history, didn't you?
Guess who wrote all our rights into the US Constitution? Englishmen, following the example of their forefathers of the Magna Carta, and Oliver Cromwell whose men overthrew a monarchy and executed the king. Lots more where that came from. Read about the British fighting back in WW II, rebuilding from air raids, taking the war to the Germans.
There is a reason we speak English and jealously defend our rights as Englishmen -- OK, we call it American rights now.
Societies become urban and industrial and the rules become tighter. The rules can be loosened, too, if the people have had enough of being stifled. Catching them at a bad moment and pontificating on their sad fate is naive.
We also based our federal legal system off English Common Law, as did almost every state (Louisiana is based off the Napoleonic Code).
Amusingly, or perhaps ironically, Castle Doctrine comes from English Common Law. For those who don't know, that is basically an unlimited right to self defense in one's home. Sadly, from what I hear this concept doesn't really exist in the UK anymore.
Failed history, didn't you?
Guess who wrote all our rights into the US Constitution? Englishmen, following the example of their forefathers of the Magna Carta, and Oliver Cromwell whose men overthrew a monarchy and executed the king. Lots more where that came from. Read about the British fighting back in WW II, rebuilding from air raids, taking the war to the Germans.
There is a reason we speak English and jealously defend our rights as Englishmen -- OK, we call it American rights now.
Societies become urban and industrial and the rules become tighter. The rules can be loosened, too, if the people have had enough of being stifled. Catching them at a bad moment and pontificating on their sad fate is naive.
unfortunately over here people are taught from day one in schools and their parents to be compliant luckily i was taught to be compliant where it is in my interests however the same cannot be said for most of us over here. we are taught to suppress our inner englishman. its no wonder they took the guns away from us because an angry englishman is bad enough and our government know that but an angry englishman with a gun... or in this case a knife.
knife laws do not stop criminals carrying them only honest citizens carrying tools that make their lives easier. if a criminal wants to carry a knife he carries a knife regardless of the law.
Read the f'ing law. Fixed blades are not classed as weapons, only your intention/lack of evidence can make them equal that verdict!
Fixed blades, like any other knife thatnisnt a 3" non locking folder is good to go if you have a reason, self defence ain't one. That bs line will instantly get you an admission of guilt to carrying an offensive weapon. Going camping, hunting, fishing etc is just fine. Our law is meant to use logic over defense of a pos criminal who has the right to be armed. Although at times it doesn't/seem to work like that it is written to take rights away from the bad guys, not the majority of good guys. Carrying weapons and the law had a going over in the 60's? I think, and it hasn't changed/been made more lenient since.
3" blades are written into our rights because that length is not deemed lethal in a stabbing, anything over that length needs an excuse that is passable. Although the laws may seem/are widely considerd to restrict ones rights, they actually do a reasonable job at keeping order in such a cramped overcrowded country (USA is 42 times larger than the UK, but with only 6 times the populas!).
Either way, quite moaning and think yourself lucky you live in one of the most stable economic countries, with one of the best education systems, best national health care and civil rights out there!
UK is scary. They made it so difficult around firearms too it's ridiculous..and crime continues to rise there... very scary. Remember, they tried to do the same thing to the colonies and we said nope.. Kicked their ass and became America... So they did it to their own people there, big mistake.. and now even make knife laws strict. How the heck do they expect the good blokes to protect themselves from the hooligans and influx of Muslims?
Look what has happened to them and Australia.. Thugs get to run wild. Thank God the USA has the 2nd amendment. I could not imagine living in a place controlled like that which helps criminals and puts enormous pressure on their LE...
Look what has happened to them and Australia.. Thugs get to run wild. Thank God the USA has the 2nd amendment. I could not imagine living in a place controlled like that which helps criminals and puts enormous pressure on their LE...
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