Dark Opps Vendetta

knarfeng said:
I don't know squat about dangerous blades. I know a bit about steel. I'll try to give a straight answer about the steel. It may shed some light on some of the other comments.

Here is what their web site says about the steel:

"Dark Ops Knives are made from a proprietary hybrid alloy of Chromium, Cobalt, Tungsten, Vanadium, and Molybdenum with surgical grade stainless steel! "​

That blurb was not written by anyone who knows anything about steel.

1) the term "surgical grade stainless steel" is meaningless. There is no specification for steel that is called "surgical grade stainless steel". There are grades of steel that are commonly used for operating room hardware and they are sometimes termed "surgical stainless" in the literature. However, they all contain insufficient carbon to be useful as any kind of knife blade. And BTW, one of the elements Dark Ops did NOT say they added was carbon.

2) Once you have steel you don't add elements to it. You do not melt down a finished alloy, add elements, then reform it. That is what their description implies and that is BS. Their "hybrid alloy" description does not make sense. No alloy exists in the form described by the the description. It can't.

Note: Since "CTV2" is Dark Ops name for the alloy they use, it can be anything they want it to be. They can use any alloy and call it "CTV2" because the name "CTV2" only exists in the Dark Ops literature. It is not an acknowledged alloy name in use by any steel company.

Barry,
If the rest of the knife is as nonsensical as the steel description, and judging by the comments by various of our members who are familiar with SD weapons they are, I would run, not walk, away from any Dark Ops product.

You know you're in trouble when you have what is supposed to be a technical section with exclamation points. That alone should peg your BS meter.
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Thank you Knarf, I sincerely appreciate your informative response. I'm most great full for your insights .

Respectfully<
Barry
 
just because you tell yourself that thing you have your head shoved up is a viking helmet, doesn't make it so.
 
Beowulf1776 said:
I can only assume that your employed by Er.

Just because you feel something is immoral and unethical does not make it so.
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Well, Nathan S is a lawyer and he does live in Italy. That might make him more aware of the difficulties of that kind of litigation, but it doesn't mean he works for ER.

However, those of us who have been around since the beginning of the Dark Saga remember that people in touch with ER relayed their frustration that litigation was too costly and too chancy.

We also remember that Dark Ops spent years running in place, firing off promises and explanations so carelessly that any possibility of respect for their operation here was lost.

You're late to the party. That's not your fault. But insulting those of us who know better does nothing for your standing on Bladeforums generally. Just because we feel something is immoral and unethical does not make it so for anyone else but us. But why would we take your uninformed ethical insights over our own experience?
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Well, Nathan S is a lawyer and he does live in Italy. That might make him more aware of the difficulties of that kind of litigation, but it doesn't mean he works for ER.

However, those of us who have been around since the beginning of the Dark Saga remember that people in touch with ER relayed their frustration that litigation was too costly and too chancy.

We also remember that Dark Ops spent years running in place, firing off promises and explanations so carelessly that any possibility of respect for their operation here was lost.

You're late to the party. That's not your fault. But insulting those of us who know better does nothing for your standing on Bladeforums generally. Just because we feel something is immoral and unethical does not make it so for anyone else but us. But why would we take your uninformed ethical insights over our own experience?
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Every time I have ever encountered a member of the bar, I hear 'Ya know Im a lawyer! Nathan must be a rare breed of lawyer. I truly wish you had taken the time to enlighten me as to why you felt the way you did Esav. Im a scholar and exist in environment , where you have to provide factual empirical data. You where remiss in not informing of Dark Ops negligent practices. I sought insights and facts. e.g what Knarfeng provided.
Why would you expect anyone save for me to accept your experiences , if you did not provide logical reasons why. I did find many here who where only to happy to be generous with their " We know better ,I'm not telling ya why "attitude. I take no pleasure in insulting , trading insults with others. I will however , never take anything on faith , or tolerate any soul thats says " Take my word for it, I just plum know better"
Facts always speak for themselves

Regards
Barry
 
You're late to the party. That's not your fault. But we have been through this Dark Ops (&@) so many times we are tired of it. It tends to dull our intellectual acuity.

You're right. We should have coddled you more.
 
Beowulf1776 said:
Nathan , instead of trying an attempt at being a faux gentlemen, try using your energy for logic. Just because you say something is a crock of shit, actually does not really mean shit! I hope i have not stepped on your large bold sense of pride! How on earth would you know whether or not Er was capable of affording litigation?I can only assume that your employed by Er.

Just because you feel something is immoral and unethical does not make it so.
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I believe you said you're a scholar, looking for empirical data. Here's a hint, then: trying using your energy to do some research. As Ed mentioned, this subject has been done to death.

With regard to my "large bold sense of pride", you're the one who got his panties in a twist. If you get all girly - hurt every time someone doesn't agree with you, you're in for a rough time here.

And, yes, people can disagree on moral and ethical questions. Just so you know, though, I'm right and you're wrong. ;)
 
Calvin, and also Hobbes:

Tigers are mean
Tigers are fierce
Tigers have teeth
And claws that pierce.
 
Oh man, I love Dark Ops threads. They're always great for lulz.

To be honest, I think some of the models look kind of cool in an art-knife kind of way.

... but the way they portray them as awesome killing machines that only the most badass of the badasses can wield is just plain ridiculous. Seriously. Covert deanimation? Can people really say that with a straight face?
 
OP everybody takes some things on faith. Trust me ;)

What interested you in this particular yet to be released knife?
 
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