Dealers that do not ship to NY State

JDieseljoe69

JDieseljoe69

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I am sorry I can not support any dealer that does not ship to New York state no matter how good they may be. I am very annoyed at this issue. Besides NYC I believe knives are still legal here? If not the people who hunt around my property are in allot of trouble!!! Any thoughts and reason's to this issue please feel free to post them, thanks.
 
Wrong forum. I will move this to Knife Laws. You may think the knives are legal, but these companies need to protect themselves from a District Attorney who says they are not. It is exactly the largest and highest-profile he is targeting.
 
Why be mad at the dealers? It's not their fault.
They are only protecting their livelihood/businesses against a corrupt and overzealous politician.
If you really want to be mad at someone, his name is Cyrus Vance Jr.
If you really want to do something about it, Join AKTI or kniferights and express your displeasure with your wallet and letters of disdain to yours and his legislators.
 
Karda, yes I get annoyed at dealers because they do not ship to NY, I live no where near NYC and most knives are legal here. As for you do you live in NY? There is a Cayuga lake in NY also. Esav, thanks for the move, was not 100% sure where to put this. As for the NYC DA, I see he is trying to make a name for himself as any politician does, using safety as his concern. As far as some dealers I have found a few that will ship to NY state as long as it is not near NYC. I guess I will have to use the few left that will send knives here. I guess this is like Barrett Firearms who no longer ships any firearms, or will warranty any ones that are in California, even LE. This Sucks!!
 
Yes, I'm a NYS resident.
While i am bummed out that dealers won't ship here, i understand why and choose to save my anger and disdain for the persons/people responsible for causing them not to want to ship here. The dealers have not earned it, but this self serving DA and his cronies surely have.
 
Well I guess as resident of NYS we can only do what we have to do, but I still am a little annoyed at what is going on. As for this DA, not sure what will happen or what can be done. Guess I will work with dealers that will ship here.
 
This has come up before. Yes, I can see why they don't ship folding knives to NY. There's no reason for them not to ship fixed-blade. Anyway, I have no choice but to keep track of who will and won't every time I try to place an order. I will never do business again with a company that has enacted a blanket ban on sales to NY.

HH
 
i agree with Esav and Karda, the dealers just want to protect themselves. im sure most of them know they are losing money over this.
 
It is annoying. But put yourself in the dealers shoes. Its a heck of a lot easier simply not to ship to NY than worry about what could happen.

Accidently send to NYC (this is WAY easier than you think!)? Send somewhere in NY where the local DA decides the knife is illegal?

The dealer might very well be tied up with a very expensive lawsuit. Would you risk making a few bucks vs losing your entire company? I wouldn't, and neither would most people. Not taking any chances is much easier (and IMO smarter).
 
I go out of my way to avoid giving business to NY (the city and the state) because of the draconian laws the citizens tolerate and because of criminal thugs like the DA at the center of the knife angst there. Why would a dealer risk his business in the hope that other NY DAs are any less corrupt?

Perhaps your anger should focus on your tyrants. Fix that problem and your knife (and gun and tax and on and on) problems fix themselves.


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GingivitisKahn said:
I go out of my way to avoid giving business to NY (the city and the state) because of the draconian laws the citizens tolerate and because of criminal thugs like the DA at the center of the knife angst there. Why would a dealer risk his business in the hope that other NY DAs are any less corrupt?

Perhaps your anger should focus on your tyrants. Fix that problem and your knife (and gun and tax and on and on) problems fix themselves.


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Beckerhead #42
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NYS laws/taxes are no more severe than many other states and less so than some. The NYC DA has offered to take other NYS DA's under his wing on this with no takers. Most of us upstate think he is a wackjob, but have no say in NYC politics...they are almost a state of their own (in fact if upstaters had their way, they probably would be)
 
Karda said:
Most of us upstate think he is a wackjob, but have no say in NYC politics...they are almost a state of their own (in fact if upstaters had their way, they probably would be)
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The city has always had an unfriendly relationship with the state. Even when the mayor and the governor were of the same party, they were professionally antagonistic.
 
GingivitisKahn said:
I go out of my way to avoid giving business to NY (the city and the state) because of the draconian laws the citizens tolerate and because of criminal thugs like the DA at the center of the knife angst there. Why would a dealer risk his business in the hope that other NY DAs are any less corrupt?

Perhaps your anger should focus on your tyrants. Fix that problem and your knife (and gun and tax and on and on) problems fix themselves.
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I have never, repeat never voted for anyone who has any belief in limiting second amendment rights. As for getting these people out, most people in NY like em this way!

Unfortunately here in NY I am in the minority, especially downstate.
 
Also, please any one from "Downstate" do not refer to everything not NYC as "Upstate" I live in western NY or the southern tier or fingerlakes region, I hate the saying "upstate"!!! As for the dealers, I still say I will not support any of the dealers who do not ship here. I can see not shipping to the NYC area but don't hurt everyone else for it. There is still alot of rural areas around NY.
 
JDieseljoe69 said:
Also, please any one from "Downstate" do not refer to everything not NYC as "Upstate" I live in western NY or the southern tier or fingerlakes region, I hate the saying "upstate"!!! As for the dealers, I still say I will not support any of the dealers who do not ship here. I can see not shipping to the NYC area but don't hurt everyone else for it. There is still alot of rural areas around NY.
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Sorry JDiesel, anything beyond Westchester County is upstate! I envy you there, I hope to be back "upstate" again! Used to live near Syracuse and went to college in Niagara Falls.

I'm sure sometime soon there will be a court case that will create a precedent on this, we will prevail! Eventually somebody will fight this in court, and I would bet everything I own this problem will go away.
 
It is perfectly legal to buy and own almost any type of knife in NY, so the dealers should have no concern with selling and shipping here. It is the knife buyers responsiblity to know where he can carry a certain type of knife, not the dealers. If these knives were illegal, then why can large chains like Dick's Sporting Goods and even Walmart sell them? In fact, I just bought a Kershaw Leek (which has assisted opening) from Dick's about 5 days ago.

The knife dealers who refuse to sell and ship to NYS are borderline lazy as they refuse to do the proper research to determine the true legality behind NYS knife laws. If they did so, they would find that it is perfectly legal to buy, sell and ship these types of knives within NY. Again, it is the knife buyers responsibility where he can carry. NYC is truly a different world from the rest of the state and has it's own ordinances on blade length and carry. They are also using the the term "gravity knife", which is very vague in the Penal Law definition, to effect rediculous arrests. Myself being a Police Officer in NYS will very rarely speak poorly about another agency, but from some of the articles and videos I have seen of NYC police officers arresting your average "non-criminal" civilian because they think a Gerber Paraframe for example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oe-C-9MYVc) is a gravity knife is rediculous and their moronic District Attorney actually supports these arrests.

Also, what about Law Enforcement Officers like myself who have no knife restrictions whatsoever. Why do these dealers refuse sale/shipment to us? Shame on you Emerson Knives Inc. and all of the dealers who have followed suit in this rediculous boycott. I understand that you are just trying to protect your own interests, but is that worth losing loyal customers because your "unsure" of a state's exact laws and policies?
 
I live near Buffalo and thus far, I haven't found that any site I order from doesn't ship to NY. Granted, I don't order anything that might be considered illegal in this state, such as an auto, balisong, or stun gun. On the few sites I look into that sell those items, although those specific items are not allowed to be shipped to the state, normal folders are.

From the POV of a company though...I can understand not wanting to deal with legal issues. Better to be safe than sorry.
 
jaymeister99 said:
I have never, repeat never voted for anyone who has any belief in limiting second amendment rights. As for getting these people out, most people in NY like em this way!

Unfortunately here in NY I am in the minority, especially downstate.
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That sucks quite a bit and you aren't the only state in that boat. Still, the issue at hand, isn't one created by the knife dealers. So what are New Yorkers' alternatives?

1) Remove the tyrants from power? Probably not going to happen for the reasons you mention.

2) Circumvent the laws (or the willful misinterpretation of the laws) - probably not a safe idea and one no one here could publicly advocate.

3) Convince knife dealers to risk their businesses in the hope that the NYC whack job (and criminal) doesn't get them? That seems to be unwise on the part of the dealers and fiscally irresponsible.

4) Move to a more nearly free state? Only you New Yorkers can decide if this is practicable or not.

As to the notion that these knives are legal in NYS whether or not they are in NYC - that point is moot. As I understand it, they are legal in NYC as well but that's not stopping the NYC DA from performing a mafia style shakedown of the people that sell them. It's a crummy situation.

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The thing that rubs the most, the wording of NY "gravity knife" definition is similar if not identical to that of many other states. I also understand that there are some states where LE has abused the vague wording of their own knife laws. For some reason, because it's NY we get hit harder as if these dealers were trying to make a point. If a metro area in a different state were abusing their authority, I'll be dipped if the whole state would be made to pay.
HH
 
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