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Deep carry clip installation question

Hey EZ - the main reason I don't send longer screws is that the next size up (from the 3/16" ones I send) is 1/4", and those would be too long to get in through the large hole without serious monkeying. The Spyderco screws, which are just a hair longer than 3/16", can be difficult to get in, and so the 1/4" ones would be a real pain. But I appreciate the input, and I'm going to try to find some 5/32" somewhere to help solve that FRN problem.
Thanks fellas, and thanks for the kind words about the clips!
Casey
 
Casey
Thanks for the Email and adjustment,it was not required but thank you just the same.

I did try to find any 5/32' screws Today too and you are right they do not seem to be around anywhere?
I guess I could get 1/4" and dremel them down a little and see if that works.
I also think I could get the 1/4" ones "Monkyed" in probably but they might be too long either way and they seem tougher to remove even than to install.

I thought I remembered that the clips are slightly thicker in the last run or so? and if so could this account for the difference?
Also worth wondering is whether or not my Delica had the stock screws or not,I am not the original owner and who knows?

Anyway I am not giving up this easy and will let you know what happens.

Thanks again
Ed
 
Thanks Ed. Yeah, I'm not sure if anyone makes 5/32" screws, but I haven't been able to track them down. I'm still looking though. I think 1/4" would be a really pain to get in or out, like you say, but they could probably work.

The first run (about 150 clips) were of .032" ti. The last 4 runs (about 1,000 clips or so) have been .040". I've only had one email mentioning that the OEM screws were too short for the FRN scales, but it could be that the tolerances on your Delica might be a hair different from standard. I was buying some Carhartt pants a few months ago - the same model that I usually buy - and they fit really odd. I asked the gal at the counter about it, and she said that sometimes happens, because as the tooling they use to cut the fabric starts to dull, the last few pieces of fabric will be cut slightly bigger, since the cutter doesn't cut cleanly. So perhaps the same thing sometimes happens with knife parts? Just an uneducated guess.

Or perhaps like you say the screws are not stock - the stock ones are torx, if that makes a difference.

Keep me posted!

Casey
 
In defense of Casey's clips while used on my Sypdercos. YMMV. :)

Looking in the side view position, screw mounting flange bends upward at an angle. All my clip screws appears to be short and barely able to engage - was my initial impression. I resisted the impulse to flatten the flange and that was proven to be a good thing.

Screwing in slow and deliberately, especially the first one, sort of begin progressively to flatten the flange. Careful process of slowly making sure all screws are in before final tightening, helped to prevent damaging screw/threaded hole in all my knives and they are all good and tight. The upward angle on the clip's mounting flange provides benefit of more tension after it is completely flatten by the tighten screws. My installed Casey clips are tighter then factory clips in pockets.

Clear as mud? :)
 
victorf said:
In defense of Casey's clips while used on my Sypdercos. YMMV. :)

Looking in the side view position, screw mounting flange bends upward at an angle. All my clip screws appears to be short and barely able to engage - was my initial impression. I resisted the impulse to flatten the flange and that was proven to be a good thing.

Screwing in slow and deliberately, especially the first one, sort of begin progressively to flatten the flange. Careful process of slowly making sure all screws are in before final tightening, helped to prevent damaging screw/threaded hole in all my knives and they are all good and tight. The upward angle on the clip's mounting flange provides benefit of more tension after it is completely flatten by the tighten screws. My installed Casey clips are tighter then factory clips in pockets.

Clear as mud? :)
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I am a huge fan of the clips if this was meant for me?
Obviously(I hope) I have also experimented with all manner and method of wrangling the screws in on my Delica 4 and still only 1 screw seems able to get purchase on any threads in the end.
I do have Caseys clips on a PM2 and Bradley and they went on with no trouble at all and are great.

I am amazed that it is so hard to find the tiny screws in more size selections but such is life I have learned over and over too.

So I plan to get some 1/4" long screws and experiment with those before giving up on the Delica. The way the inserts are mounted inside the FRN handle might be a hair off and that seems like all it would take to render the screws too short?

I will report back here when I find out more.
 
Love the clip, not so much the wrestling match with the Delica installation. I could not get the OEM screws to reach anything solid on the stock tip-up clip position, but rather than give up on the clip I installed it on the opposite end for tip-down (not ideal) and the screws worked fine. All that after getting the screws into the clip hole which was a wrestling match all by itself. BUT love the clip and will try again for tip-up installation. Did not realize this was a more common problem until finding this thread, so thanks for all the experiences and tips. And thanks to Casey for making these available!
 
Yeah, sorry guys, I have heard that this is a problem with FRN scales. It's odd - it doesn't seem to be a problem on all FRN knives, but quite a few. More often than not, the screws I send will be too short for the FRN ones (they work well on all other models), but typically the OEM screws will work great. However, I have heard from a couple guys (like EZ) that the OEM screws just won't catch. I have no doubt that on his knife, the threads are just barely out of reach for the screw threads, and it won't work no matter what he tries. The major issue is that the clip is .040", a hair thicker than Spyderco's clip, but necessary in titanium to get good tension. (I originally used .032" and it was too flexy.) In addition, the clip was designed to be as low-pro as possible (to keep it from catching on countertops, seat belts, etc.) - meaning the 'U' shape is fairly tight - but the tradeoff there is that longer screws are a bugger to get in through the access hole.

If anyone has an issue and just can't get it to work, let me know and I'll refund you. Or, if you can't get the screws in no matter how much you attempt it, I'll cover shipping to get it back here and I'll install them for you. But check Victor's advice on the first page of this thread - excellent.

I appreciate you guys giving me feedback - I'm taking that info and working on something that will help.
 
Since original clip worked. Measure thickness, compare with Casey's and take it from there.

If Casey's clip is thicker, use diamond hone to bring it down to match oem. Diamond can cut titanium without any effort. If no diamond, ordinary emery or sharping stone or a file will work as well. Do it carefully and keep grind surface flat.

That is just another suggestion, I am sure other members can come up with more. If that doesn't take care of it, something else is wrong. :)
 
I recently removed a long clip off my Delica and replaced it with a short clip. Both from his latest batch. To remove the 2 screws on the left and right holes (stock Delica screws) I take my index finger and push the end of the screw out towards the clip hole, getting the head of the screw as close to the hole as possible. Then I take a T6 and unscrew it out of the hole. Works with no problems.

To insert the stock Delica screws, I put them in the hole at an angle while on the end of my screwdriver and screw them into the holes. It's tricky getting it started, but I just use my fingernail to hold the screw head onto the bit. Then after all 3 screws are in their holes, I mount the clip and tighten. I carefully tighten the left and right screws since they're at an angle but it gets the job done, and they're very tight with no stripped heads. Maybe I got lucky with my stock screws being the perfect length? I've found this by far (for me) to be the easiest way to get the stock screws in and out of the clip. Seems to be much more difficult (for me) trying to get the screws in with the clip on the knife. YMMV
 
I had same problem recently.
Supplied screws did not work with either Delica (short threads), instead used screws from stock clip.
My happy setup was as follows:
1) Drilled the two outer holes with hand drill at 3/32
2) This allowed me to pre install torx screws on the clip before install.
3) Screwed in with my favorite torx screwdriver in seconds.
 
jdd3456 said:
I had same problem recently.
Supplied screws did not work with either Delica (short threads), instead used screws from stock clip.
My happy setup was as follows:
1) Drilled the two outer holes with hand drill at 3/32
2) This allowed me to pre install torx screws on the clip before install.
3) Screwed in with my favorite torx screwdriver in seconds.
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Well just to be clear again,I had no trouble getting the screws into the clip but the threads just will not engage any threads once placed on the knife.
I even used a small clamp to make the clip flat against the mounting spot to give the screw threads as much of a chance as they could have and still,no go.

So last week I found myself at the Mothership in Golden and had the Delica sharpened and tried to get slightly longer screws at the same time and again,a no go?
They just had ZERO interest in helping with the clip mount at all.

I even showed them the one mounted on the Bradley and they were shocked and impressed but they offered no reason at all why they don't make or offer deep carry clips like these and again I am just on my own trying to find a longer screw that might do the job.

They also had no deals at all on any knives and so I left almost empty handed. It was interesting I guess and I did get the Delica sharpened quickly but I was looking to buy something but not for any huge premium over my local shop for sure.
The local shop also has a much larger selection of models,styles and finishes than the factory store.

I now know that they offer sale prices only once a year but I was not there then.
Live and Learn!
 
I also have the problem about the screws not long enough for FRN scales. , I installed 2 of his clips in my Endura and Delica.

I put them using the original screws from the Endura/Delica clips. They are longer than the screws Casey included. But the screw' holes in Casey's clips needs to be widened first, I used small diamond file until enough for the spyderco screws to go in. after that it is good to go.

Got no problems with installing them on non FRNs, really loves the clips.

Bram
 
Ok....So I went to Ace Hardware and they actually had 2-56 1/4" screws sitting there! Phillips and allegedly they were SS too.

They were soft enough that I could easily cut them down with a pair of Lineman's Pliers (cut like butta) and it only took 5 screws to get the 3 that I needed.

They were no problem at all getting through the clip holes and set on top of the Delica and then they cinched down tight and I am good to go now.

I still can't believe they had them really.

The deep carry on the Delica makes it a lot better for me.
 
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