Defense Driven Advice Needed

Thank you all for your great advice. To answer some of the questions and suggestions.....

It's not that it's the $6,000 worth of equipment that's so important to me as the fact that I didn't come from a very wealthy family and my drums were given to me by my whole family. It's mostly the sentiment that I'm defending. If it were any other kit that I had just purchased, it would be a different story.

As far as carrying a sidearm..... I'm not sure how fond I am of having a firearm as an EDC. And the point was also brought up that casinos aren't to fond of that. That's also true. It's much easier to explain a folder that you use with your equipment (as far as they're concerned), than it is a gun. Plus most of the people who have given me trouble have been either drunk people, or people trying to make a quick buck. I've never really run into really threatening people that look like they might be packing (granted looks aren't everything). And if a firearm was ever pulled against my knife, you better believe that I'd just have to swallow the loss of my equipment and possibly my car. Like I said before it's mainly just for deterent's sake and if it's ever knife on knife, that's where some of the training comes in and the need for a knife that won't let me down in my time of need.

Insurance is a good thing to have, but it's also very hard for a college student to afford insurance on his drums while he's paying the bills also. I've often thought of getting my stuff insured, but me equipment is ever changing and it's almost impossible to supply a consistent dollar figure to whatever I happen to be using for that particular performance. Sometimes my haul is only around 2 grand, but on certain other occasions where I'm also borrowing equipment from the university, I've had in excess of $8,000 worth of stuff.

I'm also a fan of spear points and the benchmade drop point, but I for some reason have a fondness of tanto's. I like the Emerson's wave and such, and they are one of the one's on my list to seriously consider. Along with a couple of the Benchmade's larger knives. The Camillus is also a looker.

For fixed blades, I'm not sure how effecient it is to carry one when my attire usually consists of slacks and a dress shirt. Any suggestions on how to effectively apply a fixed blade? (keep in mind that I sit when I play and need full range of motion on my arms, and decent motion on my legs.)

Thank you so much for all your help. I appreciate everyone's comments and concerns.
 
DeadManWalking said:
You've all heard about people being shot, stabbed, or beaten just so that the assailant can find all they have on them is $20 or so.
Yes, living in a major city I understand this well. That's why I always have some sort of protection wherever I am. I'm also a gun owner, BTW.

But it's the flip side that I also hear all to often in the news of how some guy got shot and killed because he saw someone breaking into his car and ran out of his home with a baseball bat swinging.

Or the story in the news of this middle age Asian woman gas station owner who ran after someone trying to drive away without paying for gas. The woman got tangled up with the car somehow and dragged for mile. She's dead, left a family behind...all for $20 worth of gas.

Also, too often I meet people who are looking for an excuse to get into a fight (I'm not saying our musician friend here is) who haven't seen enough bad stuff happen to good people to fully realize the possible consequences of their actions.


Who's that writer that writes articles for Blade or Knives Illustrated on knife laws and our rights? He has some very good advice. One thing I learning is that intent plays a big role. It won't help your case any if your knife has a name or words stamped on it that has certain connotations....you can use your imagination here...but my guess is that prosecuters will have a field day on you if your blade has "avenger" or "executioner" or "death-bringer" stamped on it.
 
Lots of us can't carry firearms for various reasons, which turns most of us to knives and other implements. I for instance can own all the firearms I want but not carry in most of the places I visit most often.

Another thing to consider is that if you do arm yourself, you have to take a lot of crap. Moreso than you would if you were defenseless.

I feel some people with bad judgement or quick tempers should not carry certain implements, but even moreso I would like to stress each individual must decide for themselves what they are capable of handling.
 
Like any other weapon, if you pull it out you better be prepared to use it or be prepared to meet your maker. You can only bluff some people and the others are going to test you and if you falter your going to pay the price. Remember your dealing with drunks and just out and out bad guys, not your usual college educated yuppy that will bow out.
 
Piney said:
Like any other weapon, if you pull it out you better be prepared to use it or be prepared to meet your maker. You can only bluff some people and the others are going to test you and if you falter your going to pay the price. Remember your dealing with drunks and just out and out bad guys, not your usual college educated yuppy that will bow out.
Someone I know witnessed a gang fight where a guy pulled a pistol. He hesitated. A rival guy walked right up to him, took the gun and shot the gun owner point blank in the face.

No Hollywood martial arts move. No inhuman Matrix speed. There was nothing spectacular at all about it. The guy just walks up, grabs the gun and kills the guy. The gun owner had all the time in the world to empty the gun into his enemy, but just stood there arm extended, pistol in hand...all the while the other guy is walking towards him.
 
Method:

If you are truly serious about protecting your life and posessions, get a gun.

It is fairly easy to get a carry permit in NV, and you should take advantage of that.

There are also some great training facilities in NV.
 
hello,

i personaly carry an emerson karambit or my emerson CQC-7 mini B combo edge, these folding knives are one of if not the best knives in there class and have never failed me, If you look carefuly you can get them for a good price.

p.s. if you go for a karambit please get some training, its not a regular "defence" blade by any means !
 
:confused: Dont ever draw a knife in self defense unless youve trained to do this, are willing to kill the attacker and feel it is defensable in court. The idea of pulling a knife as a deterrant can get you killed. When you pull a knife you are escalating the attack. The attacker only wanted your equiptment but now you've threatened his life. If he his willing and desperate (which most people who are robbing other are) he may now feel he has to kill you or at least try. At this point you better be willing to kill him or you may get killed over your $6000 investment.
In conclusion, take knife fighting or a knife defense class. If you are gonna pull one out to use, you better know how.
 
Roodog said:
:confused: Dont ever draw a knife in self defense unless youve trained to do this, are willing to kill the attacker and feel it is defensable in court. The idea of pulling a knife as a deterrant can get you killed. When you pull a knife you are escalating the attack. The attacker only wanted your equiptment but now you've threatened his life. If he his willing and desperate (which most people who are robbing other are) he may now feel he has to kill you or at least try.


Well, you are sort of correct.

An attacker doesn't need to have a weapon in order to pose a threat of grave bodily harm or death.

What if the initial poster had an arm/leg in a cast and the attacker was 6'5 300 lbs?

Someone that huge could do serious damage to someone smaller with just their bare hands.

As long as the threat of grave bodily harm or death is imminent, you are justified in using means to defend yourself.

As always, CHECK YOUR LOCAL LAWS.
 
I dont agree you must prepare to kill someone but you must understand what a knife can do ! its verry easy to inflict superficial cuts that look alot wors than they are to an attacker and if you are genuinly in fear of your LIFE not belongings, you are justified in defending your self fully.
 
In theory I agree, but not in the real world.
Here is a scenario. A 300 lb. monster start attacking you all wild and for no reason as you are walking through the park. You feel threatened enough to draw a knife. You stab him in the leg. This cuts his femoral artery and he bleeds to death in less than 2 minutes. It turns out this "300 lb. monster" is a mentally challenged adult. You on the other hand have 3 separate knives on you person. How's it gonna look to the jury? Knife nut stabs poor retarded man?
All Im saying is things may not be as they seem. And also that the idea of non leathal cuts are silly. Cutting a major artery can result in very quick bleeeding out. Any time your gonna pull a knife, be ready to kill and defend your action in court.
 
IF you carry a knife for whatever personal resons YOU are respnsable for learning how that tool (a knife is a tool untill a person changes its role to a wepon) works and what its capable of, if a 300lb boy attacks you in the park run away im sure youl beet him, if he attacs you in a toilet cubicle do what you have to ! the law is there to protect the inocent if you were wrong then you have to deal with the concequinces !

p.s. i only carry one knife at atime,

take care people.
 
I agree 100%.
That was my point. Put yourself in a position take educated and defensible actions at all times. And I would always agree that getting away is the best move. There is no shame in running. Pride will only get you hurt or in trouble.
 
I am 33 and have CCW since I was 21. I have never once had to use it, in any fashion.

The parameter's that define when you can use deadly force (firearm or knife) are very narrow. It is unlawful to brandish a gun to gain leverage in a fight. If you do such a thing, and it is unwarranted, the opposing party is now justified in using deadly force on you.

Most state laws dictate that you have to be in imminent danger/fear of your life or great bodily harm prior to using deadly force. Now, you may think you are in fear for you life, but will a jury, looking at the totality of the facts, come to the same conclusion.

The use of deadly force was once explained to me as this - you could shoot and kill someone in self-defense the moment before they would have shot & killed you. Very narrow parameters. Most states allow you to use a firearm in self-defense to stop a "forcible felony" being committed against you or another. Shooting a rapist who refuses to stop might fit that rule.

Only Texas allows you to use deadly force to stop the loss of property - you can shoot someone trying to steal your car, but I would not advise it.

The funny thing is that the NRA (and John Lott) has a famous and verifiable statistic that says firearms are used over 2 million times a year in self-defense, without being fired. I would assume this means that a gun was brandished during an altercation (against a would be criminal) and prevented the escalation of the altercation. What is strange is that most of these brandishing were most likely unlawful, as the altercations did not rise to the level where the use of a gun would be lawful.

With all that being said there are some sayings that float around regarding the sometimes-perilous dilemma we face when we carry firearms. One of the best is: I'd rather be tried by 12 (the jury) then carried by six (pallbearers at your funeral).
 
Roodog
i like the way you think, i maby should have pointed out that evasion is the best defence where ever possible, there is nothing cowardly about saving your life !
 
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