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I saw the same type of injury about 6 years ago in the ER. In this case, a guy was stabbing into an old easy chair with a Buck General and got a worse result. He took out some ligaments and tendons.

I am sure that he has $1000's in medical bills and still is not quite right.

I am a fan of fixed blades with BIG guards. If you think your fingergroove on your folder, or even fixed blade is big enough, then put on some winter gloves and take a feel again.
 
It was a regretable accident. Someone found yet another stupid way for us to injure ourselves, the list grows every day around here. But, if we are taking anything away from this it should be that folders should not be used for stabbing. It is one thing to press a folder into service in an emergency, but it's another to forcefully load the point and back of the blade with this kind of stress. To the LCC credit at least the lock widthstood the impact. Many other folders would have failed.

If you are going to go through these drills then you would be better served by a fixedbladed knife (something with a solid guard and a solid blade), and wear safety googles just in case the blade shatters.

n2s
 
If memory serves correctly, the victim in this case is the same gentleman who had a problem with his Sebenza stabbing him in the butt when he ran with it loose in his pocket. I agree with a prior comment that some of us should not play with knives . . . :rolleyes:

Yet, I'm sorry this happened and wish BR good luck in the healing process.
 
While stabbing your furniture/goofing around with kinves is stupid, this does show us how some knives can be unsafe when stabbing objects.

I have searched long a hard for the modern folding knife with a reliable hand guard, one that wil STOP one's hand from sliding up the blade. These are few and far between. So far, the best are:

Microtech Kestrel
Benchmade AKFC
Kershaw Boa
Chris Reeve Classic Sebenza

There are not many others, unfortunately. I think this should be a definite requirement for all "tactical", non-gentlemen, simple use knives!!!!!!

Belly
 
Perhaps the only lesson to be learned is that if you're doing any stabbing, expect to get cut (probably severely). This applies to a genuine combat situation where I can't imagine anyone getting out of a knife fight unscathed, and to someone running around stabbing furniture.

As I said, maybe it's time for a Totin' Chip refresher course. I don't stab things or mess around with my knives at all. Maybe it's not the most popular strategy here on the forums, but if it ever comes down to a deadly serious self-defense situation, I'll slash a few times with a sharp blade, then run like hell.
 
BR: I suppose that you did learn that you won't pass out at the sight of a severe cut. That's something, at least. The shooting instructor for the Nashville PD once remarked to me that in a knife fight (when both you and the other combatant have knives), it's not a question of whether you're going to get cut. It's a question of how badly.

I totally disagree that sofas are "PERFECT practice targets for knife fighting situations". Sofas don't move. People do. Seems to me if you want the perfect practice target, you'd actually train with a live combatant and dummy blades. Or join the Marines.

I recognize that this "testing" MIGHT give you some information about how a knife will perform in combat. But I would remind anyone that knife combat is something to consider long and hard before you make it an automatic response.

Faced with a knife-wielding assailant, your best course of action is to run. Even if you're a trained commando, pulling your own knife and squaring off will likely get you hurt--possibly killed. And of course, if you stab and kill an unarmed man with a knife, regardless of his size, chances are a jury won't look too kindly upon you. Nor will the judge in the civil suit when he's awarding damages.

In a life-threatening situation where someone pulls a knife on me, I'll rely on my swift legs. If I can't get away, I'll go to the 9mm on my hip. Pulling a knife is just too often a lose-lose scenario in most combat situations. You'd only want to stab someone in the most dire of circumstances, and considering the death grip you'll have on your knife, I doubt it matters if its scales are G-10 or aluminum.

I know this post borders on a rant, but like mnblade, I sometimes grow tired of the self-professed Rambos on the board who are constantly testing their knives for "combat situations." I wonder how many of them have even been in a fist fight.
 
I'll make an addition to the list of "grip-safe" folders:

Emerson Specwar

Excellent gripablity with enough of a drop at the index finger area to prevent most slipping problems.

Hope the finger recovers soon. It might be easier to use a hand grenade on the next couch you want to dispose of.:rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: :p
 
I cut myself bad while wrapping paracord around a CRKT Stiff Kiss. My wife looked at me and said, "You're an idiot. Now get in the kitchen and keep the blood off the carpet." And she was right. I was an idiot, and I learned. Now, I'm telling you that you were an idiot, and you will learn. You were not a "victim" because the knife did not have finger grooves or G-10 scales.

Don't take it personal. Hell, you're in good company. Just don't be an idiot again.

BTW- If I would have cut the tendons on the finger I cut, I would have lost the use of my hand. It my thumb on the inside of the knuckle.

Good luck, and I'm glad you've healed up.
 
I'm glad to hear your hand will be alright. I hope this incident makes you reconsider how you handle your knives in the future, one should always be cautious with any dangerous implement.
 
If you want to stab with a knife, you must first make sure that you've got a secure grip on it. If you can't achieve a good grip, then just don't stab with the knife.

I carry and use puukkos pretty frequently. Most of them have no guard whatsoever. Although I've cut myself in plenty of stupid ways, my fingers have never slipped onto a blade and I can even stab with one if I have a good grip. The most secure grip is usually to curl your pinky around the pommel end of the handle so you can brace it against your palm.

There's nothing wrong with test stabbing things, but you've got to take precautions. In future experiments, it might be a good idea to make sure the edge is covered with a material that won't get cut before you try thrusting with a knife.

Just be safe! It's easy to forget how dangerous these things are. When using a knife, we always have to be aware of what's going on with it; how we're holding it, where the edge is facing, what's around the blade and what's in its path.
 
Hey, I gotta self-inflicted stab story worth a laugh (now).... Seems I have bad karma with blueberry pies, on my birthday. One year I burnt my hand taking it out of the oven. The next year I dropped the cutting knife directly onto the top of my bare foot, and it stuck straight in. Kinda hurt, kinda bled... lots! Ended going to the emergency room and giving them a good laugh.:rolleyes:
 
Gotta go with Guyon on this one. For me a pocket knife is just a tool and not for fantasy fights. I use mine everyday for different utility chores and once in a while I cut myself. Usually it's from not paying close attension. Nothing serious enough to go to the doctor though.
 
BlackRazor: You raise an excellent point here. I think that, in order to increase profits, marketing ploys by companies like Benchmade, Emerson, Micro-Tech etc. have tapped into the "warrior mentality" that appeals to a lot of guys that aren't exactly Army Ranger material. Hell, I include myself here. Tactical knives appeal to me from an aesthetic and a utilitarian standpoint. Still, I have enough sense to know that I would only use a knife as a tactical weapon if it were my last option. There are better alternatives.

I probably came off a little too harsh in my post above, but I really do want to stress that knife fighting is serious business. People shouldn't fool themselves into thinking that they're ready for a street fight after stabbing some furniture. If you're really interested in the tactical side of knives, find someone who knows their business and then engage in real, prolonged training.

I sincerely hope your finger heals and that you're a wiser man after the injury.
 
Peter...did u jinx my LCC now??? Lol. Almost done with the ironwood on the handle :)
 
You hit it on the head. Tactical folders are a huge marketing ploy. But tactical means different things to different folks. I consider it to mean heavy duty as opposed to say a slip joint folder or a SAK, but there is no standard.
I don't think many tactical folders are even close.
And I think stabbing into anything should only be attempted with a fixed blade with a good guard and good grip. A folder should be used to slice or slash, not stab. Also it amazes me the number of people here that talk about getting into a knife fight. Its possible but most likely you will be going against somebody with a club, or a gun, a tire iron from some road rager, a beer bottle, a bat, anything but a knife.

The knife assaults that do take place around here are all domestics with kitchen knives. Ask the cops, nobody mugs somebody with a knife anymore. Crow bar maybe, but not a knife. Yesterday in the city two guys dusted a passing car with 40 rounds of 7.62x39 from AK-clones, that's what your up against (missed too). If your lucky in some cases its just a strong arm robbery. You can always tag'em and say it looked as if he was going for a gun (and he might be). That would get him off your back. You get my drift I think. Knives are tools. They have very limited defensive value. Some but not as much as a lot of folks here attach to them.

Also as for accidents with knives, its a case of familiarity breeds contempt. I never play with a knife. I might test, but with full precautions in a methodical way. When I cut, or chop, I try to consider what might go wrong and be careful. I then sheath or fold it to do anything else. Trying to keep the blade open in your hands and yet using your hands to do another task is a surefire way to screw up. Everybody learns from the mistakes people tell about here.
 
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