Delica 4 or Salt one for boating?

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I know the natural answer is going to be to get the Salt because that is what it was designed to do. The thing is, I have never had a Spyderco rust on me and I have been using a VG-10 Rescue for fresh water boating and I don't even have to clean it. The point is, I don't think I have any real need for the H-1 steel so is there any advantage to going with a Delica 4 over a Salt one? Is the steel in the Delica 4 better than the H-1?
 
From what I hear, with more use, H-1 will go up on the hardness scale. And like you said, it doesn't rust, and was made for the job.
(Not to mention it comes in yellow. Fish love yellow. Black will scare them away.)
 
I would get something from the Salt Series for boating!! It will NOT rust!! I have a Salt 1 & a Pacific Salt for the beach, and any activities involving water.
 
I think the Delica 4 would work fine!

Plus I like the "4" format better than the "3" that the Salt series are based on.
4 way clip(i like the way the clip looks), screwed construction, and I like the grip better.

Vu
 
Proper knife care will usually keep the VG-10 from rusting. But if I spent a great deal of time by the sea, I would buy a dedicated blade. It is also another reason to buy a knife. Can't have enough of those (knives and reasons to buy a knife).
 
Is the Delica 4 stronger than the Salt? I think heard the Delica has liners and the Salt does not. Is that true? If they made a Salt 1 based on the Delica 4 that may be better. I really do like the yellow better than the black. Maybe they could make a yellow Delica 4? What colors does the Delica 4 come in anyway?
 
Hi Kgriggs,

When I sail fresh water, I carry VG-10, ususally a serrated Delica4.

When I'm in, near or around salt water, I carry a Salt, ususally a serrated yellow Salt 1 (more socially acceptable).

When I'm in a salt water situation that does not require social concern, I generally carry a Pacific or Atlantic serrated yellow.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Kgriggs,

When I sail fresh water, I carry VG-10, ususally a serrated Delica4.

When I'm in, near or around salt water, I carry a Salt, ususally a serrated yellow Salt 1 (more socially acceptable).

When I'm in a salt water situation that does not require social concern, I generally carry a Pacific or Atlantic serrated yellow.

sal
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No, no, Sal, you were suppose to say that when you are in a salt water situation that does not require social concern, you carry the prototype for the Caribbean Salt FB, a 22" bladed cutlass in H-1, serrated of course. :D
 
The Deacon said:
No, no, Sal, you were suppose to say that when you are in a salt water situation that does not require social concern, you carry the prototype for the Caribbean Salt FB, a 22" bladed cutlass in H-1, serrated of course. :D
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LOL..... @ Deacon. That's good.

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I would say just like Sal said. Carry VG-10 Delica for daily use and for fresh water duties. Use a Salt I when around "salt water". :)

And you're right. The Delica 4 has steel liners and the Salt does not. The Salt is just like the Delica 3 with a slightly different blade and a larger opening hole. ;)
 
You know, not having liner may be a good thing for a water knife. It keeps it light and that is important. I would never carry a SS Police for example because it would weigh down my trunks and is more likely to fall out due to the weight.

I have lots of VG-10 knives that will work like my blue 93mm CE Rescue. That is a great water knife. I will be doing some salt water stuff once in a while so I think I should start looking for a Salt 1 or Pac Salt in Yellow. I guess I will buy which ever one falls into my lap at the best price. I will probably end up getting both so I am not fussed which one I get first.
 
I've actually noticed some rusting on a new atlantic salt after 4 days at work. how long does it take to be work hardened?


pete
 
Pete1977 said:
I've actually noticed some rusting on a new atlantic salt after 4 days at work.
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This is the very first I've EVER heard of anyone having a rust (or corrosion of any sort) issue with a Salt. Would love to see pics.

As for the original topic, if it were me, I'd make a choice based on the features and weight of the two knives (and price) moreso than the steels. The Delica 4 has the liners, so it's a bit heavier. You can also carry it tip up OR tip down which is indeed a nice option. Now, for me, the extra strength of the liners is not an issue because I have supreme faith in Spyderco's frn-handled knives, period (I've battered the hell out of my ATS-55 Endura and it scoffs at me and begs for more). But of course lots of guys do prefer having the liners, and that's fine. And some guys prefer a knife with a bit more heft.

As to the rust issue - well, again, I may be a bad guy to ask as I've carried my "lowly" ATS-55 Endura clipped to my pocket while I waded chest deep casting into weed beds for bass - no rust. I've used it to cut up pineapple at the beach in South Florida - no rust. I've carried it deep sea fishing - no rust. I've slayed more watermelon and apples and such than I care to admit with it - no rust.

I'd imagine that VG-10 is more rust-resistant than ATS-55 which, by MY criteria makes is VERY VERY rust resistant. And, of course that would make H-1 (again, using the patented mnblade scale of corrosion resistance) VERY VERY VERY VERY rust resistant. So, back to the original point, I'd choose based on criteria other than the steel.
 
Quoting Kristi:

H1 is a precipitation-hardened alloy. And yes, it is also work-hardened. Meaning that anything that you do that causes heat through friction will harden the steel further; it’s also important to note that tests have shown that it does not become brittle. The work-hardened properties of H1 have been proven by analysis independently performed by Crucible Specialty Metals. It is this that explains why an H1 blade with a SpyderEdge has better edge retention than it's PlainEdge counterpart. In the end, the analysis from Crucible found the Rc at the spine was 58, however at the edge it had increased in both the PlainEdge (to 65 Rc) and the SpyderEdge (to 68 Rc).

I will go for any Salt...

Cheers

N
 
Pete1977 said:
I've actually noticed some rusting on a new atlantic salt after 4 days at work. how long does it take to be work hardened?


pete
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Hi Pete,

Rust? Yours would be the first in many thousands. Please provide more input?

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Pete,

Rust? Yours would be the first in many thousands. Please provide more input?

sal
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The rust formed inside the words "Atlantic salt" and spread onto the steel between the letters. If I get a chance, i'll take and post some pics tomorrow.

pete
 
It may not be rust in the blade but rather rust on the blade. I noticed small spots of rust on my Saturn Vue a few weeks back and I didn't know what to make of it. The body panels of the Saturn Vue are plastic and should not rust. What I found out was, it was rust forming on the surface of the plastic from water that has evaporated on the car. There is no true corrosion taking place.

Witout seeing pics it is hard to say but I thought I would add another possibility that has not been brought up on either forum yet.
 
I've noticed I've posted to a few threads re: my atlantic salt and rust. It is confined solely within the letters "atlantic salt" and the small spaces in between. I've noticed a tiny tiny bit of surface rust on the flat of the blade, on the edge side of the grind line, but I removed it with my thumb. The rust, or whatever it may be, seems to be confined to the inside of the letters for "atlantic salt" which, i noticed when I recieved the knife, were gold inside. The wording on the tang of the knife hasn't rusted in or around the letters.

I will firmly stand by the statement that H-1 does NOT rust during use in a saltwater environment, as mine has been exposed to seawater AND brine from salted herring bait. whatever is in the lettering, however does rust. I can't seem to take a good enough photograph to show it. I'll try tomorrow.

Pete
 
Thanx for the effort and the testing Pete. It is appreciated. Let us know what you comeup with.

The last example of rust we tested turned out to be some type of food stuff in the engraved letters.

sal
 
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