Delica 5 design input

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AttilaTheHun

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Hey Spyderco guys, if you've already got the Delica 5 on the drawing board, please give it a finger choil like that of the Byrd Meadowlark 2.
Being able to exert force on the blade of a folder ahead of its pivot makes a BIG difference and expends its usage considerably.
For ref: Byrd meadowlark 2, top with choil; Delica 4, bottom, no choil:
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It's funny you bring this up I was thinking about it this morning while fondling my delica 4 stuck in traffic. I was thinking delica 4.5 which would add a finger choil like the dragonfly and a wire clip like the sage 1 possibly adjustable for low and high ride:)
 
I agree with you 100% on the choil!

Actually, I think both the Delica and the Endura would benefit significantly from this adaptation.
 
Hmm... I'll cast a dissenting vote. Spyderco has so many models with choils already - Sage, Chaparral, Manix, PM2, Military, Stretch, Native, Caly, Dragonfly, Police... there's really not that many in-house Spyderco designs that don't have a choil. I don't have anything against choils - I quite like the ones on the Para2 and Manix. But at the same time, it's nice to have an option where they're not present. I actually really liked that about the Endura and Delica both. Sometimes I want to get close to the edge, and sometimes I want a knife that says, "here is your cutting edge and here is where your fingers go... and ne'er the twain shall meet."
 
I like the idea of a choil. I've thought about this as well and I think it would make it the perfect knife. There's plenty of room, the shape is already correct for this addition, so it just seems to be a "next step" refinement in the evolution of this design. I would most certainly buy another Delica with this choil (ZDP 189 please). Thanks for listening Sal!
 
What's the argument for not putting a choil on the Delica/Endura? Is it purely an aesthetic consideration (traditionally not high on Spyderco's priority list)? Comparing the Delica to the Meadowlark, that area seems to be nothing but wasted space. I don't own a Delica, but I have several Enduras, and I've always found that part of the knife uncomfortable to grip. A choil would be a big improvement.
 
CubistHamster said:
What's the argument for not putting a choil on the Delica/Endura? Is it purely an aesthetic consideration (traditionally not high on Spyderco's priority list)? Comparing the Delica to the Meadowlark, that area seems to be nothing but wasted space. I don't own a Delica, but I have several Enduras, and I've always found that part of the knife uncomfortable to grip. A choil would be a big improvement.
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An argument is many people don't like them for various reasons. Another (one that Sal has stated IIRC) is plenty of Spyderco knives have a choil, and not every one should have one for the sake of having a wide variety.

Me personally, I don't like them because I don't use them and that means my hand is set further back from the knife than it'd be without a choil being there, losing a bit in the dexterity department including changing the balance towards the blade.
 
The Delica 4 has this unused space before the start of the edge that would make a great choil but currently doesn't appear to have any function (at least as far as I can tell but pelase correct me). Since the brand tends to favor functionality of looks, a choil would not hurt. Either this or extend the edge all the way to the handle like on a Mora.
 
A choil never seems to hurt. I really like it on the Dragonfly 2, it would go good on the Delica as the knife is not big at all.
 
One thing is for sure, that Byrd is almost identical to the Spydie Delica. Amazing seeing them side by side. I guess by making the hole not round, they avoid copyright problems.....:confused:
 
I think the meadowlark design is superior. It even look better when closed, without that gap between the bottom of the blade hand top of the FRN.
 
I don't have a Delica or Endura (going to have to check them out again), but I do like all of my Spydies with choils, so I wouldn't hate it if they added a choil...
 
I have a hate/hate relationship with The Delica. The handle has always been too small for my big mitts, and I swore recently I'd never buy another front lock ever. Throw a choil on it and a compression lock, keep the weight under 3 oz. and I'd buy a half dozen. Love the colors as well, way too many black scales in my life.
 
kreole said:
An argument is many people don't like them for various reasons. Another (one that Sal has stated IIRC) is plenty of Spyderco knives have a choil, and not every one should have one for the sake of having a wide variety.

Me personally, I don't like them because I don't use them and that means my hand is set further back from the knife than it'd be without a choil being there, losing a bit in the dexterity department including changing the balance towards the blade.
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That's fair, Spyderco does have plenty of designs with a choil, and most of us would agree that variety is a good thing. That said, with the current Delica and Endura the kick takes up almost exactly (I haven't measured because I don't currently have access to my Enduras) the same amount of space as the choil does on the Meadowlark and Cara-Cara, respectively.

Basically, my point is that by putting a choil on the Endura/Delica, instead of a kick, you could replace a part that serves one function (preventing the blade from touching the backspacer) with a part that serves two (preventing the blade from touching the backspacer, and providing a comfortable place to choke up on your grip) without making any substantial changes to the proportions of the knife.
 
Would love a choil on a Delica or Endura. It would just be the same as a ricasso (or whatever that little unsharpened part of the blade is called), but have the benefit of fitting better in hand. In my humble opnion, I see no downsides to it, just more added value.
 
All speculation on my end but I doubt the delica (or endura) will ever get one, the delica's claim to fame is its full, 4-finger grip with a sub 3" blade. Just for example the dfly only has a 3 finger grip so if you want to really hold onto it you have to use the choil, you can already get full hand purchase on the delica.
 
Cereal_killer said:
All speculation on my end but I doubt the delica (or endura) will ever get one, the delica's claim to fame is its full, 4-finger grip with a sub 3" blade. Just for example the dfly only has a 3 finger grip so if you want to really hold onto it you have to use the choil, you can already get full hand purchase on the delica.
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When cutting hard, pressing hard on the Delica's current handle puts a lot of strain on the pivot and may induce wear (blade play) over time. Same with any folder btw.
But with a choil that pressure is exerted directly on the blade by the index/thumb and much less on the handle and pivot by other fingers. The Delica/Meadowlark and pretty thin and being able to thrust hard on the Meadowlark's blade choil inspires more confidence than on the Delica's handle/pivot.
 
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