I'm no mechanic, but i'm guessing 'less of a fit' would make the lock not 'click' into place, rather hit the stops where metal is on metal, then lock re-engages - hopefully... without the operator being sure until.....yeah.
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I'm no mechanic, but i'm guessing 'less of a fit' would make the lock not 'click' into place, rather hit the stops where metal is on metal, then lock re-engages - hopefully... without the operator being sure until.....yeah.
I'm glad someone got the vague point I was trying to put across
I'm also not too sure of the stability of the steels used, whether they have a tendency to expand under various temperatures (even slightly) etc.
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Sal/Spyderco personally told you this? If it was on this forum, please quote the post, otherwise, you're just speculating as usual. I'm sure some people may have forgotten that you tried to extort Sal Glesser/Spyderco, here on these very forums, but I haven't!
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=435269&page=4
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3G
Thanks 3G. In the words of Ronald Reagan, "Here we go again."
Per the facts in that thread: Sal made the offer of a gift, I did not solicit it. Read earlier in the thread:
Sal: "I have tried on several occasions to appease his negative fire, but I have failed. My bad."
Me: "You want me to be quiet then change your warranty policy back to what it once was. Remember your tag line "fair and honest". However, as a good american, I can also be bribed to let by gones be by gones. I'll shut up if you give me a new Starmate when they come out. You do either and you have my word, I never will post about spydercos again."
However, I didn't get squat just more run around. Spyderco also did not change their warranty policy to what it was before.
Later on I posted: "Hey, I don't want to be an extorionist, and that is what it appears I am, since a gift not freely given is extorted. So forgedaboutit." I did not ask for a free knife, it was offered. But as you can see in a later post no real offer was made, just a request for my name and contact info.
Per your request "Sal/Spyderco personally told you this?" Read the thread you linked. The proof is in there, both within and between the lines
By the way, I honored Sal's request and don't pull out my warranty history any more since he's claimed that the QC department has been "fixed" twice since then. I have not used the warranty department since the changes.
But I won't shut up when somone tells me that play in a lockback is "normal". I have too many lockbacks, both spyderco and other brands, that refute that claim. There are also too many other manufacturers who honor warranty repairs on lockbacks with "play".
As an aside, I'll bet the object of your worship, Spyderco, may not appreciate you pulling up that thread all the time. It's not the type of history most Spydie fans want to read.
I still buy Spydercos. Bought a TMag on sale and tout its greatness in the face of other's jeers. Go the spydie forum.
Just last week I took delivery on Yang kitchen knife...to replace one where the handle self destructed. I won't return it to Spyderco, because under their new policy, the design flaw won't be covered...although it was covered when I bought the knife.
Per the facts in that thread: Sal made the offer of a gift, I did not solicit it. Read earlier in the thread:
Sal: "I have tried on several occasions to appease his negative fire, but I have failed. My bad."
Me: "You want me to be quiet then change your warranty policy back to what it once was. Remember your tag line "fair and honest". However, as a good american, I can also be bribed to let by gones be by gones. I'll shut up if you give me a new Starmate when they come out. You do either and you have my word, I never will post about spydercos again."
However, I didn't get squat just more run around. Spyderco also did not change their warranty policy to what it was before.
Later on I posted: "Hey, I don't want to be an extorionist, and that is what it appears I am, since a gift not freely given is extorted. So forgedaboutit." I did not ask for a free knife, it was offered. But as you can see in a later post no real offer was made, just a request for my name and contact info.
Per your request "Sal/Spyderco personally told you this?" Read the thread you linked. The proof is in there, both within and between the lines
By the way, I honored Sal's request and don't pull out my warranty history any more since he's claimed that the QC department has been "fixed" twice since then. I have not used the warranty department since the changes.
But I won't shut up when somone tells me that play in a lockback is "normal". I have too many lockbacks, both spyderco and other brands, that refute that claim. There are also too many other manufacturers who honor warranty repairs on lockbacks with "play".
As an aside, I'll bet the object of your worship, Spyderco, may not appreciate you pulling up that thread all the time. It's not the type of history most Spydie fans want to read.
I still buy Spydercos. Bought a TMag on sale and tout its greatness in the face of other's jeers. Go the spydie forum.
Just last week I took delivery on Yang kitchen knife...to replace one where the handle self destructed. I won't return it to Spyderco, because under their new policy, the design flaw won't be covered...although it was covered when I bought the knife.
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I still don't consider play normal. Even if the lock is adjusting itself I think it should do so at the time the lock bar engages--not after pressure is applied against the knife edge.
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Nothing wrong with a little play in a lockblade. My Spydies do it. My Bucks do it. My only Benchmade Axis had side to side until I sent it back after dropping and chipping the plastic handle. KaBar Dozier does it, old Schrade lockback does it. Old Western Diamond lockback does it. I have Kershaws and gerbers that do it.
There is nothing wrong with a sub $100 knife that has a little play. If you want no play, get a fixed blade. Otherwise, you'll have some play.
Rather than reading what people who don't like Spyderco say about them, read what STR says about Spyderco. He's smarter than 99.9% of any of us here, and he's a fan.
Again, some play is normal, and it won't affect the integrity of the lock. If no play is needed, get a fixed blade or at least a $400 Sebenza.
Blade play is a function of cost. If the tolerances are close enough, you won't have any play. That said, you'd better be ready to pay for those tolerances.
There is nothing wrong with a sub $100 knife that has a little play. If you want no play, get a fixed blade. Otherwise, you'll have some play.
Rather than reading what people who don't like Spyderco say about them, read what STR says about Spyderco. He's smarter than 99.9% of any of us here, and he's a fan.
Again, some play is normal, and it won't affect the integrity of the lock. If no play is needed, get a fixed blade or at least a $400 Sebenza.
Blade play is a function of cost. If the tolerances are close enough, you won't have any play. That said, you'd better be ready to pay for those tolerances.
I kinda understand what you mean. I sent in my Endura 4 ZDP right after I got it because of a number of problems:
1. The tip was blunt
2. The saber grinds on each side were not even with each other (one side had a very shallow grind)
3. The backlock was not flush with the scales/tang at all. A little bit, I wouldn't mind, but this just didn't seem right at all.
A week and a half after my package arrived, I had received no email response from customer service. After a couple days, I sent a message directly to a Spyderco rep, where I finally did get confirmation that my package was received by the factor, and that they will take a look at it.
A day or two, I get a call from Eric telling me that the problems were normal because Spyderco is trying to "bring us the ZDP steel at a low price," so the level of satisfaction I was looking for (even grind, secure lockup) can't be guaranteed. He did offer me a replacement or a refund, though. I thanked him and asked if I could get the replacement. I am still waiting on that one, though
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I remember your original post post on this matter, THG, and as I recall, that knife had a number of problems with it from the 'get go'. I think that you did the right thing by letting Spyderco have a look and the fact that Eric offered a replacement or a refund, would seem to suggest that he thought the knife could have been better too.
All in all, I think that both you and Spyderco did the right thing.
All in all, I think that both you and Spyderco did the right thing.
One thing I think some people are not understanding is the play itself. It is not like checking for play normally, with a little pressure up and down. If you check it that way, there is no vertical play at all. You need to grab that sucker and pull the blade up towards the lock with quite some force, and the lockbar itself will move with the blade. Im talking microns here. I have yet to see a spyderco, or even my 110 that didnt do this, its not a flaw, its just the nature of lockbacks. Same thing goes for slipjoints, you push that blade toward the spring, and the spring will move ever so slightly. Now if you grab the blade with your forefinger and thumb, and wiggle it up and down, and you experience vertical play, there is a valid warranty concern....
man im tired of the word play, lol
-kirko
man im tired of the word play, lol
-kirko
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