Delica ZDP Pricing on eBay

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Was just taking a gander on eBay at the ZDP Delica, and was just wondering what you guys thought of the prices. One dealer had his buy-it-now set at $169. Is that reasonable?

Thanks for the input!

Although, it doesn't matter what you guys say....she still won't let me buy one :(
 
I cannot say much on the price as it is simply "demand and supply" rule. If you could wait, Sal promises to produce more D4ZDP. I have ordered one but on waiting list as well. And we may be lucky to have other colors than the blue one.
 
IMO, it is price gouging. Legal, but... :(

I think everyone needs to be a little patient and not fall for this sort of thing. They haven't shipped them all, and you will be able to get them at a normal price soon. :thumbup:
 
The old saying goes that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If the market will bear it so be it. Some guys missed out on the last run and figured they are either going to have to pay now for one or pay later since they didn't get their names on the list early enough for the limited supply of them that will be available. To me price gouging is selling snow shovels at elevated prices as its dumping snow or the next day when everyone needs one. Something like this that is purely elective is not hurting anyone and isn't something that has to be had. So I say if you can get it go for it.

I sold one yesterday for a good price so to me it panned out because I paid MSRP for it in the first place and some thought I was making a mistake when I did that. Selling the one almost paid for the one I'm keeping so to me its a good deal now because I did better getting into one than if I had made it on one of the pre order lists..

STR
 
As STR says, the market rules. In this case it may be driven by only a few rabid fans now, but nevertheless they're the ones setting the current street prices. The number of rabid fans will determine how long the peak lasts. As for me, I'm not in for one of the delicas, but have a few of the ZDP Jess Horns on pre-order. Now, when are those bad boys going to be shipped????
 
STR said:
I sold one yesterday for a good price so to me it panned out

STR

It sure was worth it to me STR, and I cant wait for it to get here. So yeah, I would say it panned out for me as well, I didnt see myself getting one any other way. A few have popped up on ebay since I bought mine, but I'd rather buy from a fellow Spyderco fan whos work I have admired in the past then someone I'll never talk to again and their making a profit. Just my .02 though.

Thanks again:thumbup:
 
Delica ZDP Pricing on eBay

Is hilarious. I'm curious is spyderco planning on putting a production ZDP blade into the lineup? I think it would be better if people didn't fall for schemes such as this.
 
Three Buy-It-Nows for $169 were up quite a few days. One sold, two are still there. A buy-it-now for $150 went quickly. Some sold for $180-$200.
The high-bidder on the first ZDP on Ebay got it for $224, but he must feel bad because by the time the bid was $224, there were Buy-It-Nows for $169... My guess is that when Spyderco's second shipment is out (the 2nd batch of 600 of the 1200 in total), prices on Ebay will drop to $100-$125.
 
CombatGrappler said:
Was just taking a gander on eBay at the ZDP Delica, and was just wondering what you guys thought of the prices. One dealer had his buy-it-now set at $169. Is that reasonable?


I think that's absurd. People, the Delica may be a good, ubiquitous workhorse of a knife, but it is still just a Delica.

This sounds like gouging, to be frank. How could this ZDP steel be so much incredibly better than anything else used in Delicas to justify ONE HUNDRED SIXTY-NINE DOLLARS?!

Let's get our heads out of the clouds, people. These things seem to be priced as right-away collectors' items. I think people paying that much for the knife are suckers. The difference between a normal Delica and a ZDP Delica is over one hundred dollars. Does it really do anything so much better for having ZDP steel to justify more than tripling the price? Puh-freakin'-lease... :rolleyes: People are acting just like kids with the "gimmees."


-Jeffrey
 
CombatGrappler said:
Was just taking a gander on eBay at the ZDP Delica, and was just wondering what you guys thought of the prices. One dealer had his buy-it-now set at $169. Is that reasonable?

Thanks for the input!

Although, it doesn't matter what you guys say....she still won't let me buy one :(
Yes, and no.

Yes, because it was certainly reasonable, almost "decent", of him to set that BIN price considering one already had bids of over $200 in another auction and, unlike necessities in short supply during a disaster, nobody "needs" to purchase one.

No, because I think paying that amount for one is silly, considering there are more in the pipeline. But, since there is no life-or-death "need" involved, anyone who elects to pay that price is doing so by choice. I think other adults should be free to make choices that I consider foolish, as I'm sure there are those who would label "some" of mine the same way.
 
Thanks for the input, everyone. I guess I really should have just asked if you thought the price was going to come down. $100 is closer to what I would be willing to pay.

Ahhh, I love the smell of capitalism in the morning :)
 
That's not capitalism you're smelling -- it's greed.

Nothing stops people from charging exorbitant prices for luxury items except their own morals. If I put a Dixie waxed paper cup on sale on eBay and set a reserve of $6,000 just because that is what some ridiculously gotta-have-it people are willing to pay, does that mean a Dixie cup is worth more than, say, a penny? Taking cynical advantage of some people's obsession is immoral, as is reaping an exorbitant, out-of-this-world profit.

How many of the same people who would pay three times the normal Delica price for a ZDP Delica and justify the charging of that price also complain about how oil companies should not be making record profits when the price of gasoline is at an all-time high?

There is a responsibility of the buyer to be willing to walk away and say, "At that price, keep it." There is also a responsibility of the seller to keep his asking price reasonable or else it is justified to call him greedy.

Can anyone tell me what the cost of manufacturing both kinds of Delicas is?
Does the cost of making the ZDP Delica really push the price that high, or are these prices just the result of a moderately more expensive-to-produce knife being wildly desired?

-Jeffrey
 
Gouging, from what I've heard, is when sellers take advantage of a situation - charging outrageously high prices for goods or services that people need. Like gasoline, electricity, bottled drinking water in a drought area, etc.

ZDP189 Delicas don't fall into that category.

No one's ethically or morally required to give away their ZDP 189 Delicas for less than market price, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Buying items for investment purposes with the intent of using them to make money on a secondary market is no more greedy or unethical than playing the stock market, or investing in art, comics, stamps, or coins. Stamps are nothing more than a piece of paper with ink on them, yet they can demand extremely high prices, and there is nothing wrong with that. The same goes with comics, yet the first appearance of Spiderman drew $15,000 at one time (pretty sure it was about 10 years ago). It can also be said for pieces of artwork that demand millions of dollars.

Comparing the collector market to oil companies who sell a commodity that has become a necessity in our society is comparing “apples to oranges”, and really isn’t an honest or fair comparison. If the supply of ZDP Delicas were to suddenly disappear, then society in general would hardly take notice. However, if the country’s supply of oil were to suddenly dry up, then the affect to our country would be devastating. People in this country do need oil, they don’t need a ZDP-189 Delica.

If you wish to tie it into morals then I refer you to the parable Jesus told about the talents given by the master to his servants. The one servant who didn’t make the money work for him was castigated, while the ones who used the money to obtain more money were rewarded. Buying an investment for the purpose of making even more money off of it is not immoral but, as the Bible shows, it is a moral thing to do. Furthermore, in the case of the ZDP Delica, one is not taking advantage of his or her fellow man. However, selling it for far less than what the market demands is “undercutting” your competition, and if done to a great extent can be viewed as unfair trade practice.

This is of course in reference to the secondary market. It would be different if a dealer, who routinely obtains his inventory at costs, then turns around and sells it for over MSRP. That would be a sense of gouging, however well within the dealers rights providing it wasn’t in breach of some agreement he had with the distributor or Spyderco. I, for one would never purchase anything from such a dealer again. I don’t believe there is a knife that I need so bad as to go to what I consider an unethical dealer to obtain one.

This really isn’t anything new. Knives have in the past often solicited extreme prices. However, I suspect that the burgundy Caly Jr., and the ZDP Delica are probably the first knives that are commonly known as common “users” that have seen such activity. I think that, plus the idea that some see this as the one chance for an “average Joe” to try a ZDP-189 knife is what is causing all this “uproar” about inflated prices. Even if that were the case, I still don’t understand what the problem is, because it isn’t the “one chance”. This production of “user knives” with ZDP-189 is IMHO only the beginning of a trend. We already know that there will be more knives produced with the steel (Endura, black Caly Jr. and Delica in different color), and Spyderco has told us that (in the case of the black ZDP-189 Caly Jr.) they will produce them until the demand dies down.

IMHO, while some of these inflated prices may be a result of the “gotta have it now at any cost” crowd, I also believe that this particular knife is deserved of such prices. Those prices may see a drop after more are released, but I think it will be minimal if at all, and then, I think it will eventually go back up to stay. I say this because I see the collector potential for the ZDP Delica. That is because AFIK, this is the first production knife with a solid ZDP blade (I realize there may be others, but my knowledge prevents me from being aware of their existence). This Delica could possibly be a “first” in an industry that is evolving at a rapid pace, and that, combined with the limited production quantity, are just the sort of things that demand high, collector prices.
 
I don't know how long something collectible has to be out before its considered rare enough to hike itself to a new league in price. Apparently not that long with some things. These knives are one of those things and the fact that they are limited in number and never going to be produced in this way again certainly sets them in a different league than the average everyday Spyderco. That alone makes them subject to a whole new set of rules when it comes to after market sales.

I don't feel it is gouging to price them early on at what they will eventually go for routinely whenever you see one for sale. These prices are not going to go down. Once the dealers run out you can expect to pay these prices and then some for a NIB Delica 4 ZDP 189 folder. And I'm sure the guys selling them high like myself don't really care if they move now or not. Thats the price live with it.

Also, how much it costs to produce something that becomes rare and collector worthy has nothing to do with the value of it or what it can be sold for. Nothing! I have a Hoosier cabinet that was built in Indiana in the late 1800s for very little in the way of money and its value today has nothing to do with that initial cost or even the original MSRP at all.

ZDP steel has been the Lamborghini of knife steels since it first hit the market. Not everyone wants to drive a Lamborghini but the guys in VWs and Ford Fiestas can sure appreciate them none the less.

STR
 
Well, ya'll can count on me to not make it any more difficult for you to find your ZDP Delicas. :p I won't be paying those kinds of prices.

If you want to, that's your free choice. People have already cited how some have been burned by this silly furor (the guy who bid $200 for something with a BuyItNow of $169). Hey, that's what happens when a person gets starry eyes about something so bad that he loses his judgment and perspective.


-Jeffrey
 
That's just it. If people want to pay that much to insure that they will get a particular knife, then it is well within their right to do so. Personally, I have reservations about even owning such a knife, much less using one. The only thing I have that comes close is my blue PE Spyderhawk, and that is because I have a preference for hawkbills. I can’t currently imagine using a knife that draws a $200 premium (but then again, I’ve never used that steel). I’d probably sell it and use the money to buy a knife I wouldn’t be worried about destroying or loosing.

Now, if they come out with a Merlin in ZDP-189, then my attitude and views could possibly change.:D
 
ghostrider said:
Now, if they come out with a Merlin in ZDP-189, then my attitude and views could possibly change.:D

I agree. I haven't jumped on the ZDP bandwagon yet, just because I'm perfectly content with VG-10, S30V, and H-1, but if it's put on a model I use a LOT, like a Hawkbill, I'll give it a try, and at the high price too.
 
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