Demko's Scorpion Lock:Inspired by a Western Cutlery patent?

[JBC6650]

Well written arguement, complete B.S. and Trollish but very well written. Looks like you are trying to do nothing more than elevate one designer you admire by breaking down another designer and craftsmans work. You are claiming Demko was influenced by wrongly lifted designs with no proof, just and old man's bitter speculation.

 

[AF]

So you're point is that the Scorpion lock has similarities to this much older design. Who cares? There are many similar locks on the market. And similar overall designs.

 

[PirateSeulb]

Lapedog has provided a much more likely inspiration for Demko's twist on the lockback than this old patent. I suspect Demko was inspired by many things including non knife objects and mechanisms.

 

[Lapedog]

I don’t think that OP was trying to say Demko stole or even was aware of the design he posted. I think he was just having an aha moment when he realized that the scorpion lock is sort of an overbuilt backlock you actuate from the front.

 

[115Italian]

Very interesting observations. We always see influences of old in modern designs. Looks like Demko has been slowly upgrading the design of the “backlocks” for years. The triad lock is another great example of taking old technology and putting an upgraded spin on it.

I would bet demko has seen these designs. I would imagine he has researched all styles of back locks in his journey of making better ones.

 

[Frotier76]

Well written arguement, complete B.S. and Trollish but very well written. Looks like you are trying to do nothing more than elevate one designer you admire by breaking down another designer and craftsmans work. You are claiming Demko was influenced by wrongly lifted designs with no proof, just and old man's bitter speculation.

Something tells me you don't understand what "Tri-Ad" means- Tri=3 (improvements) to the design and AD (Andrew Demko).The Scorpion Lock is a modified design from this lockback technology that was shelved 25 years ago when Western fell through I assure you.Maybe you're just not fascinated by mechanics as this "old man" or comprehend the modification steps or stemmed from an American knife manufacturer's specific design not heard of these days...I can't help that.

This isn't negative at all to Andrew Demko regarding my certainty of the Scorpion Lock's origin.The Westlock patent was a neat alternative but was collecting dust.What's wrong with the man wiping the dust off it and turning into something new and cooler to live on for the 21st century?

 

[evilgreg]

Please continue guys, this is one of the most arcane and specific and generally weird Internet slap fights I've seen this week. An argument about back lock variations based on whether or not someone knew of/stole/was influenced by/whatever some old patent. I love it.

 

[PirateSeulb]

evilgreg I fully believe Demko knows of the design OP refrences but the OP claims with absolute and unchanging certainty that the design he has found is the design root of the Scorpion lock. Its trollish BS from OP and well some people just won't stand for it. I can understand why when you have a fool trying to hammer into other minds something that can not be proven with certainty by anyone other than Demko himself.

I certainly see very few, if any, unique traits of the OPs referenced lock and Scorpion lock that would give any validity to the OPs claim that this is the source for the Scorpion Lock.

 

[evilgreg]

evilgreg I fully believe Demko knows of the design OP refrences but the OP claims with absolute and unchanging certainty that the design he has found is the design root of the Scorpion lock. Its trollish BS from OP and well some people just won't stand for it. I can understand why when you have a fool trying to hammer into other minds something that can not be proven with certainty by anyone other than Demko himself.

I certainly see very few, if any, unique traits of the OPs referenced lock and Scorpion lock that would give any validity to the OPs claim that this is the source for the Scorpion Lock.

FWIW, while I wasn't taking sides in my previous reply if I were I'd be on your side. I think it's silly to draw the conclusion that Demko owes anything to OP's referenced old patent. Could that be true? Possibly, but how could OP know that?

That said, I'm still amused by this being an argument at all.

 

[PirateSeulb]

I'm with you just saying I don't feel this is some much an argument as it is OP trying to argue while the rest say something to the effect of "quit trolling your idiot here is why you argument holds no water" or it has turned into that now.

 

[Frotier76]

FWIW, while I wasn't taking sides in my previous reply if I were I'd be on your side. I think it's silly to draw the conclusion that Demko owes anything to OP's referenced old patent. Could that be true? Possibly, but how could OP know that?

That said, I'm still amused by this being an argument at all.

If I may chime in for a sec(raising hand)...there's a certain reason I came to this observance.I'm just a guy who likes lockbacks and am mechanically inclined.I had a Westlock for a long time in my youth (and have collected a few later in life) this is just a lockback but very different design that makes it very likely through the modifications I suggested.First time I held my Cold Steel AD-15 and pulled up the yoke...it reminded me of something older and familiar yet labor intensive in the modification.If my walk through the mods on how it was done maybe this visual aid will make sense...

Andrew Demko doesn't owe me an answer and I didn't ask that of him.If he did though?awesome job on older technology revised for today.If I'm wrong well...then I'm wrong.But a lot of the responses I've got had been observing the patent non-modified rather than open minded to the very possible outcome.

 

[Lapedog]

Something tells me you don't understand what "Tri-Ad" means- Tri=3 (improvements) to the design and AD (Andrew Demko).The Scorpion Lock is a modified design from this lockback technology that was shelved 25 years ago when Western fell through I assure you.Maybe you're just not fascinated by mechanics as this "old man" or comprehend the modification steps or stemmed from an American knife manufacturer's specific design not heard of these days...I can't help that.

This isn't negative at all to Andrew Demko regarding my certainty of the Scorpion Lock's origin.The Westlock patent was a neat alternative but was collecting dust.What's wrong with the man wiping the dust off it and turning into something new and cooler to live on for the 21st century?

I always thought the triad name was based on the triangular points of contact between the stop pin, pivot and the little hook on the lockbar tooth.

What are the 3 improvements the triad made? 1:stop pin, 2: hooked tooth and 3: self adjusting lockbar by the rocker pin?

 

[MolokaiRider]

Western lock:


Triad lock:


Scorpion lock:


Similar but different; not quite homogeneous designs. But I can see similarities. It’s possible the Western lock had influence, but the end products are different.

 

[jlauffer]

I always thought the triad name was based on the triangular points of contact between the stop pin, pivot and the little hook on the lockbar tooth.

What are the 3 improvements the triad made? 1:stop pin, 2: hooked tooth and 3: self adjusting lockbar by the rocker pin?

Not sure if #3 is an improvement over a regular lockback, so 1, 2, and 4 could be the 3 improvements: