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" I'm not sure it's right or wrong, but I'm not sure it's unreasonable either, especially if it makes a better product for consumers. "

I think that is *possibly* nearsighted, the latter part I mean. I agree with your conclusion under your assumption, but I think your assumption is flawed. To explain, if anyone can use my innovations and inventions, then I can't guarantee I will make a profit (in general, the better businessman will, I expect, but that's an aside). If I can't guarantee I will be the one making profit on my inventions, I will simply seek another means of making money. If I stop inventing, clearly the consumer isn't going to benefit from those inventions. (Of course, that only holds if I'm in it to make money.)

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Actually, there are two schools of thought on that.

The most common heard is as you describe, e.g. why innovate when others can just use my innovation and I gain no profit.

The second is that patent protection prevents innovation, e.g. why improve this product, i.e. innovate, when I can't make the improved product since someone else has protection over the base product. This happens more often with "cutting edge" technology in industries with a "line" of patent protection. And, of course, there is the common belief the the best product will make the most money, so everyone must constantly innovate to stay one step ahead of the competition.

Both schools of thought have merit IMO, so the current limited time protection seems a decent compromise.
 
Originally posted by kreole:
I think that is *possibly* nearsighted, the latter part I mean. I agree with your conclusion under your assumption, but I think your assumption is flawed. To explain, if anyone can use my innovations and inventions, then I can't guarantee I will make a profit (in general, the better businessman will, I expect, but that's an aside). If I can't guarantee I will be the one making profit on my inventions, I will simply seek another means of making money. If I stop inventing, clearly the consumer isn't going to benefit from those inventions. (Of course, that only holds if I'm in it to make money.)

'Of course, that only holds if I'm in it to make money.'

This assumption is every bit as flawed as mine. Otherwise I agree completely.
I'm a young guy. I don't easily grasp the technicalities of business; I admit that.
But until I learn some difficult lesson to the contrary, I'm of the persuasion that one only needs so much money to survive, and the rest is mostly for showing off. Sharing your inventons with others, willingly or not, is showing off in a different (and perhaps more humble) way.

I'm also of the persuasion that no one who makes knives is in it for the money. The money is a perk at best. Call me naive :foot:

You're right to say that an invention is not sensible to develop if you can't control the profits, if only from a strictly economic point of view. But remember that such things can't generally be controlled either way. From cutlers to actors to CEOs, success is bound to be imitated. It's one of the things that creative people are just going to have to live with.
The business world is filled with ways of screwing people over, which means that every action therein, however thoughtful, is ultimately an uncertain gamble. Therefore, however savvy or successful I become in that field, I've since been inclined to find satisfaction in other walks of life, hence my sentiment about what's unreasonable. Money is a lot, in fact an awful lot, but it's not the alpha and the omega.
 
Like every other company calls it a FRAME LOCK, but nobody cares to point that out!:eek::eek::eek:

Benchmade and Cold Steel are the only two companies I'm aware of that refer to common knife locking systems differently than most other knife companies, but, unlike Spyderco, they don't make any attempt to credit the respective inventors. Cold Steel refers to their 'lockbacks' as "rocker locks," and their 'liner locks' as "leaf-spring locks," sometimes adding the term "peerless" to it. Benchmade refers to their 'RIL/frame locks' as "mono locks," and their 'liner locks' as "modified-locking liners."

As far as Benchmade's use of the Spyderco opening hole goes, I think a link and a quote (from Benchmade's website from a few years back) is worth a thousand words in this instance.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020725072414/http://benchmade.com/

Benchmade states: "...we have redesigned the opener-hole to an oval shape. All holes are not created equally. Benchmade&#8217;s oval better accommodates varying thumb sizes, and we still finish bevel the edges for comfort."

If this were indeed true, as Benchmade most certainly represented it to be in writing, why did they recently change back to the Spyderco round hole they had previously licensed before going "oval?" Were they being dishonest?:confused::eek:;)
 
Lots of guys use oval holes. I believe Victorinox does in their one-hand trekker etc.

I utterly hate the beveled "for comfort" edges on BM spyderholes. I found the Skirmish difficult to open for this reason.
 
Lots of companies use oval holes. One uses comet holes. But it was Sal's round hole that got the ball rolling.
The legal complications will probably never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction, but Spyderco planted the flag and that's that. That counts for something, even if the market doesn't explicitly reflect it.
 
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Benchmade states: "...we have redesigned the opener-hole to an oval shape. All holes are not created equally. Benchmade’s oval better accommodates varying thumb sizes, and we still finish bevel the edges for comfort."

If this were indeed true, as Benchmade most certainly represented it to be in writing, why did they recently change back to the Spyderco round hole they had previously licensed before going "oval?" Were they being dishonest?:confused::eek:;)

Or it could have have been that they were simply mistaken in their opinion, as the marketplace appears to bear out, since all that criteria is subjective, not objective.

Some people say that a serrated edge is the cats-meow, while others avoid serrated edges like they avoid the plague. Subjective opinion varies.

And note that the better mousetrap isn't always successfull in the marketplace.:(
 
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