Destruction tests - what can be learned from them, and why?

[Karda]

The tests are just one source of information.

Yes, very limited information, negligible enough that noone should base their purchases on such and Noss definately shouldnt be calling out makers/manufacturers on the basis of his limited results and knowledge of steels and knifemaking. Otherwise his claims become just as subjective and wrong as those he claims to be exposing and fighting against.

 

[Dan57]

As a kid i broke many of my toys that were supposedly child proof items. Does that mean the manufacturer is at fault for his claims.... no.
It only means that i was determined to break them and accomplished the task

Totally agree. The videos show where and when a knife will break, not if. Even the knives that survived the tests he was eventually able to break, all except the Keffeler. Which makes sense. Good luck breaking a half inch thick bar of any steel without power tools, much less 3V.

 

[Dan57]

Yes, very limited information, negligible enough that noone should base their purchases on such

Base their purchases? No. But if you're buying a knife that you plan on abusing for fun, then his tests are a pretty good source of info. For most people, though, they're just entertainment.

and Noss definately shouldnt be calling out makers/manufacturers on the basis of his limited results and knowledge of steels and knifemaking.

No argument here.

Otherwise his claims become just as subjective and wrong as those he claims to be exposing and fighting against.

Why?

I have to type at least five characters outside the quote box, otherwise I'm not allowed to post.

 

[Karda]

Why?

First, how about you learn to properly quote so that it isnt so difficult to respond.

Why?, because he claims his "tests" show that the manufacturer claims are false and misleading.
Because the primitive and speculative nature of his knowledge and testing methods, which make his "tests" nothing more than opinion rather than actual fact from a repeatable source/evidence, his claims of his "testing" are no better than the manufactuer claims he purports to expose and also why noone should take them for more than they are..... a hockey masked man beating a knife to death for notoriety on youtube, here and on his own forum.
Heck.... at one point he even had to be shamed into not returning the knives he broke during "testing" for warranty replacement.

 

[Dan57]

Sorry about the quoting- I'm posting from an iPod. It makes things a lot slower, and replying inside the quote box is a lot easier than quoting everything individually.

Why?, because he claims his "tests" show that the manufacturer claims are false and misleading.
Because the speculative nature of his knowledge and testing methods, which make his "tests" nothing more than opinion rather than actual fact from a repeatable source/evidence, his claims of his "testing" are no better than the manufactuer claims he purports to expose and also why noone should take them for more than they are.....

I agree that no one should ever take them for more than what the are, but we disagree on what, exactly, that is. Noss' videos are more than just opinion; he films everything he does. The testing itself varies, but he's not trying to mislead anyone.
I've seen a few of his videos, and it's pretty hard to miss all the controversy on the forums, but I don't know much about the guy or what he claims his testing proves. Neither do I care, it's the tests themselves that matter.

 

[Karda]

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I agree that no one should ever take them for more than what the are, but we disagree on what, exactly, that is. Noss' videos are more than just opinion; he films everything he does. The testing itself varies, but he's not trying to mislead anyone.
I've seen a few of his videos, and it's pretty hard to miss all the controversy on the forums, but I don't know much about the guy or what he claims his testing proves. Neither do I care, it's the tests themselves that matter.

How are they more than his just own opinion from lopsided testing? educate me.....
He has no knifemaking or metallurgical knowledge by his own admission. His "testing" methods are flawed and are not really testing anything to do with the object being a knife, besides how much will the steel take before breaking at the hands of someone with a hammer and penchant for breaking things for notoriety and controversy.

 

[Dan57]

The tests themselves just show how much abuse a knife will take before failing, and the manner in which it will do so. (i.e, expose the weakest link in the "chain")
The tests themselves are not opinions.
What he (and everyone else) takes from the tests, are.

 

[Karda]

The tests themselves just show how much abuse a knife will take before failing, and the manner in which it will do so. (i.e, expose the weakest link in the "chain")

No, not really they don't, as i said, not in any real world manner. They only tell you want will happen and what will fail if you beat your knife with a hammer. He would more or less get the same result from beating a piece of steel that wasnt a knife.

The tests themselves are not opinions.
What he (and everyone else) takes from the tests, are.

Filmed or not they are just an opinion based on speculative and primitive testing and evidence.
Your opinion, just like Noss's opinion is just that, an opinion. Just like mine or anyone elses.
What matters is the truth (and it's out there) whether or not one is open or blind enough to see it.

 

[noss4]

Karda,
No I don't deal in opinions. This is your twisted view of what I do. I only report what happens in the videos. Everyone sees what I see.

 

[noss4]

Mr. Noss I have never watched one of your videos because I've never heard of you until now but I'll be looking for you on the tube. If you ever decide to start testing knives again please contact me so I can get a knife to you for testing. I have always wondered how my knives would do against a Busse. I'm not saying one of my knives would outperform one and I'm not saying it wouldn't. I honestly don't know because I have only seen one Busse that I made a sheath for. It would be cool to find out though.

Thanks. When I start testing again I'll consider it.

 

[Karda]

Karda,
No I don't deal in opinions. This is your twisted view of what I do. I only report what happens in the videos. Everyone sees what I see.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all people all of the time.
Amercan Tourister made videos of their own product too, but they never had the audacity to call it "testing" nor did they publicly go after other manufacturers in regards to claims made:

[video=youtube_share;8C-e96m4730]http://youtu.be/8C-e96m4730[/video]

 

[noss4]

LOL your funny....I don't try and fool anyone. Again this is just your twisted view of my testing. I only report on the facts as they happen.

 

[Karda]

LOL your funny....I don't try and fool anyone. Again this is just your twisted view of my testing. I only report on the facts as they happen.

I can guarantee my view of your "breaking" makes more sense than your view of what you're doing and it's probably less twisted also.
Nice of you to call Ethan Becker a Hypocrite too...... for breaking his own knives, for his own benefit, with no regards to any notoriety for it....

 

[noss4]

I see you have been reading my forum. Very nice. Yes when someone does the same thing and calls others out for doing the same thing they are a hypocrite. This is not about him though so don't try and derail the thread. The knives I test are mine so I can do what I want with them.

 

[Karda]

I see you have been reading my forum. Very nice. Yes when someone does the same thing and calls others out for doing the same thing they are a hypocrite. This is not about him though so don't try and derail the thread. The knives I test are mine so I can do what I want with them.

Please take time to look in a mirror and choose your words more wisely.
Otherwise i will continue to laugh in amazement.

 

[noss4]

No you should look in the mirror. Your comments here are ididodic to say the least.

 

[Karda]

Since all that seems to be accomplished here is repeating ad nauseum points made earlier in the thread and from the dozen other threads...


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