Detailed firebow making and use instructions!

The straw is a good idea I think for fires but the tinder nest/ball is pretty small and I find it easier to handle and just purse my lips like I am about to whistle.

If you didnt notice, I'm in Japan, nothing but concrete here :D

(Trivia: There is more concrete in Japan (about the same size as CA) than in the whole of the US:eek: )

I had all the stuff ready before I began. I usually put the hearth board on a dead leaf to give me an easy way to move the ember to the tinder.
 
Although he is much maligned in the Survivorman topics, the star of that show has some impressive primitive fire building skills. I know the footage was edited, but it's cool seeing a guy who can actually make a hand drill work.
 
I've collected sockets over the years as I find them.
Rock: One is Agate,several basalt(they have amigdules,or better known as bubbles in the rock worn to a "pocket" in the rock, a limestone slab that just so happened to have the right shape.

Bone:Hip bones work great. Leave the bones from a deer out for the bugs to clean. Keep your eyes out for the things when hiking. You won't find them it seems when you're looking. I like to drip candle wax into the socket because of it's hardness and long lasting.
Codgers socket is made from a Bison leg bone knuckle and has a hole drilled into the side of it for wax to be used to "freshen up" the spindle.

Things that I have learned about the fire board are:
About a half inch thick doesn't "heat sink" as bad as 3/4"thick(I learned this the hard way)
Matched wood works well. That is to say using the same wood for the spindle and the fire board.
Try to keep the spindle about 1/8 inch from the edge of the fire board and don't cut the notch too deep.Practice
I find the opposite of Temper and use a softer spindle and harder board(works for me)cause the hard spindle seems to drill a hole through the fire board before I get fire.
I feel lucky to have Birch around here and like to use it under my fire board to collect the pile, and keep the piece fairly small(easier to control when moving to the tinder).

Basswood,(Linden) is what I learned with and is one of my favorites. Other wood that I have been successful with are:Aromatic cedar, Red cedar fence rail, Willow,White cedar.


In the beginning I made a hell of a lot of smoke with no result. Coulda smoked ten cases of Herring, but when I finally got it like Temper said, "it's easy".
 
rhino said:
Although he is much maligned in the Survivorman topics, the star of that show has some impressive primitive fire building skills. I know the footage was edited, but it's cool seeing a guy who can actually make a hand drill work.
I'm with you:thumbup:
 
Codger_64 said:
Pretty straight forward instructions, simple and easy to follow. So tell me, how do you think that a pre-made set with a ribbone and a bone socket would be an improvement? Remember the salient points he made.

Codger

Codger, good questions. I haven't tried this yet myself, so I can't speak from experience. Hopefully after the 1st of the year I'll be able to practice!

Temper, thanks for the web site!
 
Cough Cough ..

My method if your interested. I have pic of my kit I can post if people are interested.

The coal is easy if you have a little form and good wood. I used cedar on Cedar works like a charm but getting the coal into a fire is another story. FOr a bearing block I use what I can find (a thick piece of maple right now, lubed with spit or snot which ever is more abundant. Gross but effective. The bow with the drill is tight enough to hear a ping!

Form Left foot on fire board, right knee on ground (marry me) the drill is close to parallel with my shin bone. Press down with the left hand (socket) and stroke like a bugger with your right.

I usually start with slow strokes to get more brown dust in the notch then go fast to get it up to temp, smoking then I keep going don't forget to breath and stroke for 20 seconds longer than you think you need to). Carefully pull your drill and bow away from the fire board.

You'll have a nice little ember in a big pile of dust..(hope you put birch bark under your fire board to catch the ember!

Anyway I use my hand as a fan to get the ember going then a wee little blow. Then I move it to my tinder bundle.

Cattail head, birch bark, cedar bark, dry grass and that green moss that grows on trees we call it old mans beard.. are all good item in you tinder bundle. ANyway the cattail head rarely catches on fire but it keeps the coal going for a while until the dried grass and birch bark ignite. OK I don't smoke but I've taken in a bit of smoke trying to get a tinder bundle to light thats were the cough cough comes in.

I get a coal 9/10 now even in the -15 degrees C but the tinderbundle I'm 50/50!!!!! once the flame starts I usually have birch bark around the in the bundle so I have a mini torch to get my fires going.....

I made a set for a friend I cheated on the socket and gave him an oak board with a drill hole and wax but you have to get the green horns started slow! Giving it to him tomorrow with a nice bottle of whiskey for Xmas.

Don't expect your wife to understand although she will be amused!
 
Don'tkillbill said:
Form Left foot on fire board, right knee on ground (marry me) the drill is close to parallel with my shin bone. Press down with the left hand (socket) and stroke like a bugger with your right.

This is my way too, I then put my left forearm tight against the shin and it makes a great brace for the bearing & spindle.

Do you find the push or the pull easier to control for power?


Don't expect your wife to understand although she will be amused!

Aint that that truth :D
 
I find that if the tension is right not too tight (when too tight every thing goes flying) its about the same its that first push and pull. Maybe because I'm using cedar its not dense and likely doesn't need the pressure of harder wood. My tip is remember what my first shop teacher said about using a saw "nice long strokes". I try to use as much of the bow as I can so get my speed up and a well lubed bearing helps transistion to the pull. My bow has been tillered a little like a bow with my knife so it has a bit of spring because I'm too lazy to adjust my string tension.

Ever used maple for spindle and fireboard? I'm in Eastern Canada and my back yard boarders a swampy forest with a little cedar, sugar maple, birch and lost of red spruce. Any suggestions on wood combo's? With a little apple and juniper. Red hasn't worked so far on itsself but maybe on a harder fire board? At least I can make the bows with red spruce and apparently the roots make good cordage which might be next years test, make your own cordage and everything wild in a few hours.

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Oh the knife is a Grohmann river knife had it for 18-20 years I bought for canoe camping after my Kabar went to the bottum of a lake during a canoe trip in Algonquin park. I then saw the need to go a little more civilian in my blade. Funny I bought it then moved 75 km from the factory (15 years later I went to the factory on my honeymoon and bought a chef knife. You can buy a kit on the net to build your own now.
 
I used Cedar for the board and Willow for the spindle.

The board was about 1/2" thick (12mm) the spindle about 3/4" Diameter.

Here it is

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The bearing was made from Beech, this is the hardest wood I have ever come across in the N Hemisphere. I dont know if it grew in a super cold and shaded place but man, it takes a chisel and hammer just to split it.
 
Nice pic.... My cedar is 1/2 for the fire board and the spindle is about the same maybe a little narrower but not much.. I started with inch thick spindles but I've fould I can get it narrower now. We have some willow but its not arrow my house maybe the next time I'm out for a hike I'll spy some to try.
Cool love to see other's set ups.
 
I wasn't allowed to be a boy scout (long story!), and I've never tried this on my own.

Roughly speaking ... how much of the overall effort is:

1. Selecting the right materials given what you have available
2. Building the apparatus and fine tuning it so it works efficiently
3. Actually using it to spark your tinder

Is it close to 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, or is one element harder than the other? Or do I just need to try it myself and learn by experience?

Is it better to learn from scratch, or to learn the actual firemaking operation using a premade drill kit (like the one DKB made for his buddy)?
 
Here are all my notes on fire making, from a recent Tom Brown Survival/Tracking class.

Fire
Fire is a gift from the creator. One needs to have a relationship with fire and respect it. The basic principle of fire is simply the right mixture of fuel, oxygen and heat. Before making a fire one needs to choose a location to build a fire. Make sure there is the availability of materials and water near by, check the wind, and look overhead and under the fire pit location. Dig out an area (pit). If needed build a reflector wall. Reflector walls work good if the ground is wet or covered by snow, line the pit with dry materials. Always remember the “Leave No Trace” rule when dismantling a fire.
Fuel - look for dry dead, and not poisonous wood.
Kindling - Start in stages with pencil lead size wood first than move up to pencil size, than finger, wrist, and so forth.
Tinder - bundle size of softball. The material needs to be really dry and fine. Coal extenders can be added to the tinder to help give extra life to an ember. These extenders are the extra dust from your bow & drill, ground up fungus, or even pounded palm tree branches.
When building a fire, arrange the kindling and the Fuel in a Teepee formation. This Teepee shape burns well and gives off the least amount of smoke.
The instructors also added several times to be sure to give thanks for the gift of fire. It took many years for a tree to grow. The tree took in the suns light and the nutrients from the soil-earth; we then harvested the tree to aid us in making out fire. We used the branch and twigs to fuel the flames, and we used the wood to build our fireboards and spindle to create the heat to start to flame. “Give Thanks for the Gift”.

Friction Fires
This is a very spiritual thing that is hard to explain us less you have created fire by friction. Always remember your place in the journey of life; the heart needs to be in the right place to achieve success. To build a bow and drill set, first you need the right parts.
Bow - Arm length stick or branch with a slight curve.
Bowstring – Knot at top and adjustable knot on bottom (clove hitch or a couple of half hitches work best) The string can be a piece of paracord, shoe string, piece of leather, or even a cordage made from plant fibers.
Spindle – Straight smooth round stick, 8-9” in length, usually the distance from thump to pinky when hand open and fingers spread out. One end of the spindle needs to be sharp and pointy, and the bottom needs to be blunter.
Handheld – The wood needs to be as hard or harder than the spindle. Needs to fit comfortably in the hand. The hand should be half-open while holding the hand held.
Fireboard & notch – The fireboard should be the same hardness as the spindle. Flatten top and bottom of the board and then square off the sides. The board should be around thumb thickness. The board should be long enough for you to be able to place your foot and the spindle on the board. The board should be at least two thumbs wide. Remember 3-5 fires per hole in the fireboard. Start to burn-in-socket/notch at least 1/8 inch from side of board. Position is very important. Place foot on fireboard (ball of foot). The hole should be close to foot for better control. The hand holding the Handhold and controlling the spindle should rest on shin. Lube the handhold notch with animal fat, oil from hair or face or even soap. Carve the notch into the fireboard. Divide the burned hole into 8ths and cut out one of the pieces forming a v-shape. Warm up the set before starting the process, 3-5 strokes will accomplish this. Start stroking the bow back and forth while applying downward pressure, this will fill the notch up will dust. Increase the speed to create heat. Increase speed again after the board starts smoking. You know you have a coal when the dust continues to smoke after you have stooped the process. Be patient with the coal, you have time. Let the coal grow before placing it into your tinder bundle. Blow into flame.
Bow drill Woods:
You should avoid hard woods like oak, hickory, and walnut. Also try to avoid soft, resins woods like pine, spruce, and fir.

Good woods
Cedar
buckeye
aspen
Palm
Viburium
Juniper
Sumac
Basswood
Elderberry
Sassafras
Birch
Box elder
Sycamore
Beech
Tamarack
Maple
Sage
Mesquite
Ash
Cottonwood
Guava
Yucca
Any fruit Tree

*Thumbnail Test – If your Thumbnail starts to crush, and does not dent, stay away from the wood, it is too soft. If your Thumbnail can just dent the wood, the wood is perfect for a bow drill set.

Cordage
Cordage is all but indispensable in a survival situation. It can be used for bowstrings, fishing line, trap triggers, snares, and lashings. The techniques for making cordage are actually quite simple to master, and the materials needed to do so are plentiful in most areas.
The Reverse Wrap
For a tighter and much stronger wrap, start with two pieces of material and twist the one strand toward you until it almost kinks. Then bring the bottom stand once around the one you just twisted and twist the fiber in the same manner. The tension of the twist holds the pieces together. Continue the process until you have your desired length.
Splicing
In order to make a long rope or string, you can simply splice together shorter pieces as necessary by using the reverse technique. Just simply twist in another piece and continue twisting and wrapping as before. When you come to an end, add an additional piece, and so forth. Make sure that you never have two splices in the same place. A splice must always be wrapped with a solid strand for strength.
Sources of Cordage Materials
When harvesting materials for making cordage, always remember your place as a caretaker and “spread the seeds”. This will help to insure the plant will survive.

Wood Stalks
Dogbane
Milkweed
Indian hemp
Sting nettle

Leaves
Yucca
Palm
Cattail
Iris

Inner Bark
Red cedar
Oak
Cottonwood
Basswood

* For the South West Florida area Palm and various vines will work best *

Soaking can help most plants and bark to become better cord, and can help you to be able to separate the plant material from the cordage fibers.
When gathering rootlets for cordage, look for exposed roots from water run off, worn away banks, etc. Some rootlets that make good cordage and rope are Pine, juniper, spruce, and cedar. Try to develop a relationship with the plants in your area, spend time with each plant. Learn and understand the principals and apply then environmentally.
Other Cordage Material
Animal sinew can be used to produce some extremely strong cord. Because of its strength, sinew is really good for making bowstrings, fishing lines, snares, wrapping, and thread. Another useful property of sinew is that, when wetted with saliva before wrapping, it shrinks and dries as hard as glue. The longest sinew is form in the white cords that run along either side of an animal’s backbone, but you can get usable lengths from tendons and ligaments attached to muscles and bone. Simply cut out the sinew, clean and dry it. To separate the individual fiber, pound each strand with a rock, and than put it into hot water. Rawhide can also me used to make some great cordage, simply cut thin strips, you can obtain great lengths by cutting the hide in a spiral. For greater strength braid a few strips together.
Natural Bowstring Cordage
It is important to remember that if using natural materials for your bowstring not to let the cord rub on itself, because the friction will cause the string to break. When using natural cordage, a flexible bow is needed. Keep the bow tilted (pointing downward), as this will also help keep the cord from rubbing itself.
 
rhino said:
I wasn't allowed to be a boy scout (long story!), and I've never tried this on my own.

Roughly speaking ... how much of the overall effort is:

1. Selecting the right materials given what you have available
2. Building the apparatus and fine tuning it so it works efficiently
3. Actually using it to spark your tinder

Is it close to 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, or is one element harder than the other? Or do I just need to try it myself and learn by experience?

Is it better to learn from scratch, or to learn the actual firemaking operation using a premade drill kit (like the one DKB made for his buddy)?

1: Its best to go with woods that are easy to use, so follow the notes on this post from Myakka. If you can find Cedar though, you should be fine.

2: This doesn't take much time at all. If you had a Leatherman or a SAK (for the Saw for the Bow) you could probably put one together in about 10 minutes provided you have all the materials close by. The socket, by far is the most important. Do it wrong and you will only get a little smoke from the board as both ends are heating up * but if you get the bearing right you should see smoke in about 5 seconds from the start of Bow'ing

3:This is pretty easy. As long as you have a big enough coal (about the size of a Pea is the smallest) you can fold it in into a ball of grass or shredded bark. The blowing it into a live flame is a bit trickier. You will have to use a lot more pressure than you think and you must direct it well. Using a straw to penetrate the ball of tinder is great if anything like that is close to hand.

As for % or Ratios, I cant say, I think the bearing is the single most difficult to get right. If you can use a bone socket or the bottom of a glass bottle I would go with that. Wood sockets are prone to buring like the hearthboard. They can be poorly matched to your spindle and cause it to squeek excessively or difficult to get as smooth as you want to work well.

* Inintially with a wood socket you will need to burn it in, so expect smoke suring that process. The buring in will give you a recess for the spindle so that it will not flick out of the string when under tension. The spindle will fly out if the socket is not deep enough or you are unable to balance the Bow'ing, pressure and holding the spindle in situ. My Socket is about 1/2" deep. The guy from the Australian site uses a beer bottle cap so it is just held there with the sides of his fingers. Try a few things and see how it works for you.
 
1/3 versus 1/3 hmmmm.

Finding the correct combo of wood is very important and a big thing for me. so I'd say 45% =, 25 Percent for building and fine tuning and 30 percent for getting the tinder to actually caught on fire.

I actually did a bow fire last night for a friend at a christmas party, that was my present to him the fire kit. That and a bottle of scotch. It was a great way to motivate myself to drink slowly and stay relatively sober. Anyway we did it in the garage and I got a coal after 3 tries (the bow started to get loose so I had to mess around with it) Any way the tinder bundle took a while to get going but once I stepped out in the wind I had a flame and the boys lit their cigars! ANyway I passed on the cigar as I had smoked enough of the dried field grass and birch bark :D When we open the garage door it looked like a Cheech and Chong skit.

I will try maple and birch this winter as they are handy to find in my backwoods, I will look for a nice stone for my bearing at the beach this spring!

Myakka thanks for the note on cordage I'd love to hear what your thoughts on the standard Tom Brown course. I know nothing of tracking... DId you actually get a chance to make cordage?
 
If some of you are unsure of the best knot to use on the Bow simply make a Bow like this. When you need more tension, just flex the bow against the floor and wrap around the end until you get the desired tension.

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If you are using fragile cordage, that is a good way to do it. If you have nylon, or other stout cordage, you can also make a series of knots and adjust to the next knot in the split if the cord stretches, or if the bow is too flexable. Don't be tempted to take another wrap on the spindle!

Excellent information and great pictures guys! I'm impressed that so many are trying this!:thumbup:

Codger
Note: As a point of clarification, I would like to offer my "kudus" to the folks at Boulder Outdoor Survival School for their training of the writer of "Castaway". I was recently asked if I was on their staff (becaust of my tongue-in-cheek intro to this thread), and alas, I am not. Sometimes, showing alternate successes and failures, trial and error, in a theatrical survival situation teaches more than a show about "Tom Brown goes native". Understand also, that while the BOSS staff did an excellent job of communicating survival skills to meet the challenges Hanks charactor faced, the movie was never meant to be a "how to do it" film. Again, good job guys! And anyone who has a chance to attend a course there, go for it! Just don't go with any pre-conceived notions. Go with the flow and learn your ass off!
 
I received a couple of Ray Mears DVD's from my mum for Christmas (couldnt resist opening them as I knew what was in the package :o )

Its amazing how much stuff this guy knows and his narration is really easy going. He made fire with a hand drill and it all seemed so effortless. This is definately on the 'To Do' list for this week. Fire Bows are great but you can't get much :cool: er than a fire drill. :D
 
For my next illusion, I will attempt a fireplow, yet another friction method, only slightly less painful than a carpet burn. I don't have access here to palm wood, but cedar is abundant. Never enter a fireplow race with a Polynesian. Even the children make you think they have a hidden bic lighter!

And then maybe a hemp rope firestarter. you would not believe how hot a piece of wood gets when rope is drawn across it at high speed. Whalers kept a bucket of seawater handy to cool the capstans when a harpooned whale was on line.

Codger

The best survival book is the one you carry in your head. All the others call from our bookshelves miles away when they are needed.
 
Yeah it is nice to see that I'm not the only one trying this, how many times have people offered you matches or a lighter..... Ha Ha Ha drop dead!

You have all inspired me to go out and try different woods and maybe even a hand drill, that should be interesting and maybe take some of the baby out of my computer pushing fingers!
 
A hint for you. Use a thick shaft spindle (prevents you hands from rubbing together) and wear thin gloves at first. Or don't. And you'll understand my suggestions!

Codger
 
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