Did I get a fake Kershaw 1920? Or has quality just declined?

[DonV]

Just got this blue handled Kersahw 1920 yesterday from a seller on Ebay and really believe it is a fake. I could be wrong but comparing it to an older 1920 from a few years back I became all the more sure. The thing was just trashy. I know this isn't a high end Kershaw product, but even their low price products I have have always found to be fairly tight in fit in finish and just can't believe the blue one is real. To much wrong with it to list.

 

[JWRobinson]

Those have been around for more than a year on a few of the Chinese web sites. They may be made by the same manufacturer who made the originals but without Kershaw looking over their shoulder to maintain quality control they are most likely of much lesser quality. If they are stamped/marked as original I would contact Kershaw and let them know. It sounds like misrepresentation of a knock of at best and blatant forgery at worst.

 

[Hackenslash]

I took a look at one of the sites known for selling counterfeits and they certainly do offer the "Kershaw 1920 Selectfire" for the screaming price of $13.29. They even have it in blue. I think you have a counterfeit on your hands.

Yet another reason to never swim in the Bay. Good luck!

 

[DonV]

Thanks for the feedback guys. Yes I paid a screaming price of $13 plus $3 shipping. Did seem to be a little to good of a price. Amazon had it listed for $14.75 the same day and I should have went withe them. I do see stories that fakes even come through Amazon but I think I would have had a better chance of getting a real one.

It's extremely bad, the screwdriver arm wobbles about 1/4" side to side and has hardly any detent to hold it in place, springs in the bit holder protrude and poke your hand, hardly any closed blade retention. I could go on.

The Ebay seller quickly refunded me after I requested a return and sent my complaints, pictures and thoughts on it being a fake to him. He doesn't even want it back. Got it free and I still don't really want it.

Do you really think I should make an issue of it with Kershaw? The guy that sold it has good feedback and I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he may not know his supplier is passing forgeries to him. Yet he hasn't taken down the listing, has sold 52 and has many more to sell and it seems kind of ugly to not follow up a little more and warn others. I'm surprised with him having sold 52 that there are not some feedback complaints coming in from others. I did get no response from him just the refund notice and makes me feel he just wants to keep the whole thing a little quiet. But should I is the question. Hmmm?

 

[strategy9]

He knows... Like a coke dealer knows he's not selling flour or sugar. 52 sales and going strong, quick to refund your money at the breath of the word forgery, but still not taking down the ad, he doesn't want to be reported, and a real dealer would want the return item for verification purposes, and to take up with their supplier and/or the manufacturer direct... The guy is a NYC Street vendor selling $25 Rolex's, at 50+ sales (on just that product) he knows what he's doing... It's just the average every day consumer doesn't know any better, or just doesn't care enough when concerned with the price, like all those folks buying $25 rolex's.

I say report it to KAI to protect the consumer and the manufacturer from fraudulent damages...


MSRP of $50, and someone is selling them en masse for $13, probably buying the fakes up at $5 somewhere like Alibaba (which as serrated versions for $4.50 right now), and most folks don't know or care enough to realize.

 

[DonV]

He knows... Like a coke dealer knows he's not selling flour or sugar. 52 sales and going strong, quick to refund your money at the breath of the word forgery, but still not taking down the ad, he doesn't want to be reported, and a real dealer would want the return item for verification purposes, and to take up with their supplier and/or the manufacturer direct... The guy is a NYC Street vendor selling $25 Rolex's, at 50+ sales (on just that product) he knows what he's doing... It's just the average every day consumer doesn't know any better, or just doesn't care enough when concerned with the price, like all those folks buying $25 rolex's.

I say report it to KAI to protect the consumer and the manufacturer from fraudulent damages...

MSRP of $50, and someone is selling them en masse for $13, probably buying the fakes up at $5 somewhere like Alibaba (which as serrated versions for $4.50 right now), and most folks don't know or care enough to realize.

I did contact Kershaw. It's bothering me. I'm not a knife snob or anything and don't really care if I guy is trying to make a buck buying some knives from China and selling in the US but the Kershaw branding is just wrong. Went back and looked at the pictures in his listing carefully and they sure look like the real deal or a way better version of a knockoff, nothing like the mess you see I got. I think maybe Ebay kind of wants to look the other way also. I filed for a return and choose the reason as being a fake or forgery and now after the seller refund they don't seem to be concerned about the listing and I have heard nothing back from them. I'll see what Kershaw says and hope they respond soon. It appears I can still drop him a negative feedback even with the deal being cancelled. Still a little hesitant to do that and may drop him an email first telling him I have contacted Kershaw and he better make sure the rest of his stock is legit.

 

[strategy9]

Definitely glad to hear you contacted Kershaw. EBay is notorious for very loose in house policing of forgeries and fakes unless pressed by manufacturers, but that said, the manufacturer has every right to protect their own identity, brand, and reputation, and take the appropriate legal steps necessary if they deem it appropriate. I too have zero issue with someone trying to flip a product and make a quick buck, but I do have a very real issue with malicious false branding which in effect potentially damages a brands good name and image...

 

[DonV]

Definitely glad to hear you contacted Kershaw. EBay is notorious for very loose in house policing of forgeries and fakes unless pressed by manufacturers, but that said, the manufacturer has every right to protect their own identity, brand, and reputation, and take the appropriate legal steps necessary if they deem it appropriate. I too have zero issue with someone trying to flip a product and make a quick buck, but I do have a very real issue with malicious false branding which in effect potentially damages a brands good name and image...

Seems from this article that you may even get their hackles up if you press them on the issue.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/christmas-shopper-alert-how-ebay-amazon-and-alibaba-fuel-the-worlds-top-illegal-industry-the-counterfeit-products-market-5261019

Interesting reading.

 

[Dvin211]

Ouch..Sorry you got burned. Great pictures though, they really show how bad these knockoffs can be.

 

[Hickory n steel]

I took a look at one of the sites known for selling counterfeits and they certainly do offer the "Kershaw 1920 Selectfire" for the screaming price of $13.29. They even have it in blue. I think you have a counterfeit on your hands.

Yet another reason to never swim in the Bay. Good luck!

13$ for a counterfeit ? :barf::barf:I paid 10$ for a real one at Walmart a few years ago. ( I don't like the combo edge, and I hate the ergonomics so I just left it in my collection and still have it in case my dad wants it for work ) I still see them for 35$ at big 5 but I'd never pay that much for one.

 

[DonV]

13$ for a counterfeit ? :barf::barf:I paid 10$ for a real one at Walmart a few years ago. ( I don't like the combo edge, and I hate the ergonomics so I just left it in my collection and still have it in case my dad wants it for work ) I still see them for 35$ at big 5 but I'd never pay that much for one.

Care to post any pictures of it. I have heard back from Kershaw and they requested the pictures. So far the CSR is saying it appears to be the model that they made and sold from Walmart. If that is the case it's a whole different knife and only worth about ten. No comparison at all to the one I already have. Really hoping that Kershaw didn't make this.

Some of the differences I noticed.

• thumbstud is smaller
• screws are different
• measurement etchings are crooked and done poorly
• screwdriver arm is bent and does not come out a full 180 degrees
• screwdriver arm woobles side to side about a 1/4 inch
• screwdriver arm detents barely hold it in place at 90 or 180 degrees
• Blade closed detent is barely there
• some cutout in the blade shows with the blade open
• blade, frame and frame lock are thinner

Any other info that anyone else can supply would be appreciated. I hate to think I accused the guy of giving me a fake and it wasn't. The consensus on here seems to be it was fake and I really hope that Kershaw has not made something with as many problems as this thing has. Maybe the CSR just doesn't know and I am going to follow up and see if I can get further clarification as to it being real or not.

 

[Hickory n steel]

Coming up! I can tell you right now that kershaw didn't make that blue knife. Mine looks just like the black one you have ( other than the combo edge,DIY gimping and not having the steel stamped on the back ) they obviously counterfeited the wall mart version ( min has much better quality than the fake, it has a blade decent and the screwdriver opens properly and only has a little wobble ) photobucket isn't wanting to work right now, but I'll get some pics up within the hour:thumbup:

 

[Yalius]

You'll also notice that the blade model number markings indicate a serrated blade.

 

[Hickory n steel]

You'll also notice that the blade model number markings indicate a serrated blade.

Is that what stwm means ? Offspring then they obviously counterfeited the wall mart version, which I believe only came with a combo edge ( and may or may not have been the only way to get a combo edge )

 

[DonV]

Coming up! I can tell you right now that kershaw didn't make that blue knife. Mine looks just like the black one you have ( other than the combo edge,DIY gimping and not having the steel stamped on the back ) they obviously counterfeited the wall mart version ( min has much better quality than the fake, it has a blade decent and the screwdriver opens properly and only has a little wobble ) photobucket isn't wanting to work right now, but I'll get some pics up within the hour:thumbup:

I'm glad to hear that and will take your word for it, but if you can and when you can, it would be nice to see some pictures maybe I can send them to Kershaw.

Thanks to you and everyone else. This place is just a treasure trove of knowledge. More here concerning Kershaws than Kershaw has themselves so far. I think the CSR just doesn't know if it should be kicked up a level and I hope my followup response may have prodded her along.

Couple related questions. Here are a couple pictures of the box and paperwork. Did the Walmart one come boxed or blisterpacked? I recall every Kershaw box having a UPC on one end which this one does not, am I correct? Paperwork even looks cheesy. This is fun feel like a PI or something, hope the Chinese mafia doesn't come calling.

 

[Hickory n steel]

 

[Hickory n steel]

I'm glad to hear that and will take your word for it, but if you can and when you can, it would be nice to see some pictures maybe I can send them to Kershaw.

Thanks to you and everyone else. This place is just a treasure trove of knowledge. More here concerning Kershaws than Kershaw has themselves so far. I think the CSR just doesn't know if it should be kicked up a level and I hope my followup response may have prodded her along.

Couple related questions. Here are a couple pictures of the box and paperwork. Did the Walmart one come boxed or blisterpacked? I recall every Kershaw box having a UPC on one end which this one does not, am I correct? Paperwork even looks cheesy. This is fun feel like a PI or something, hope the Chinese mafia doesn't come calling.

A clambshell package .

 

[DonV]

L]

Thanks I don't even have to look close. That looks just like my other one except for the serrations.

 

[DonV]

You'll also notice that the blade model number markings indicate a serrated blade.

Thanks for that I sent that along to Kershaw. I think you are absolutely right on that.

I don't even no why I care. Think I'm bored, I do currently have way to much time on my hands. Is kind of fun though.

 

[Hickory n steel]

Thanks for that I sent that along to Kershaw. I think you are absolutely right on that.

I don't even no why I care. Think I'm bored, I do currently have way to much time on my hands. Is kind of fun though.

Sometimes it's fun to act like a dick ( a dective ) and catch a scanner while also Getting some answers in the process