Did I Purchase a Fake Fallkniven F1?

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Wyatsy

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Alrighty, first thread here I go! Sorry if this has been addressed before, a cursory search didn't pop up anything though...
I ordered (and have yet to recieve, yes I'm that giddy) a Fallkniven F1 through Amazon from Best Service Stores. What I'm worried about is that the image given of the F1 has the Fallkniven logo centered on the blade and the dimensions read - 3 3/4" blade length; 8 1/4" overall - which is off because the blade length should be (and is, for any other picture on Amazon) 3 4/5". This is the official length supported on the Fallkniven website!

tl;dr:

Ordered a Fallkniven F1 which supposedly has the logo centered on the blade and has a blade length of 8 3/4" which is off.

Should I be worried/do you guys have any experience with this and Amazon's return policy?

Did I just blow $120?

--I'm sorry if this is a waste of time because Amazon got the image wrong and I'm gettin' all goosey for nothing. Sorry for being goosey...
 
Welcome.
Wrong section. Tech Support is for questions about the forums, memberships, and site related commentary. That is why there are no knife specific posts. ;)
Let's see if we can get this moved to General Khife Discussion.
 
RevDevil said:
Welcome.
Wrong section. Tech Support is for questions about the forums, memberships, and site related commentary. That is why there are no knife specific posts. ;)
Let's see if we can get this moved to General Khife Discussion.
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Yep....moving to General.
 
look at your amazon order. If it says shipped from china you can bet the farm its a fake. Not that it coming from within the USA is any guarantee but if its coming from china I would try and cancel very quickly. Hopefully amazon has protection against fakes.
 
The good thing about A-zon is that you can return anything for about any reason. They even give you a free return slip to print out and use on the return.

If you have reason to believe it's fake - post some pics maybe or just shoot it back to them as there are cheaper places to buy one. :thumbup:
 
I don't want to tell you how much money I have wasted buying knives or buying knives I have little intention of using. You learn from your mistakes. Life is a journey. I looked at my F1 and it has about a 4" blade (point to handle) and about 8.3" long overall. My F1 with the Fallkniven micarta handle cost a lot more than $120. But I could have paid too much. My F1 does not say where it was made on the blade but the box says Sweden. The logo is not centered on the blade. Lots of stuff made in China will not say where it is made.

I recall buying a CRKT knife. Even handled in the store (but not the box). I knew little about them at that time. The box said made in China but there was nothing on the actual knife. That increases production costs. I was a little bugged at the time until I realized that I got exactly what I paid for.
 
The counterfeit F1's coming out of China have a pretty close match on the box from what I understand. I have spotted and reported many fakes on ebay recently and one of the easiest things to look for is the absence of the lamination line on the blade as well as a different looking sharpening choil. There are differences in the sheaths as well. There are many USA sellers of the counterfeit Fallkniven's and one that I talked to seemed to have no idea that they were fake because he asked me for additional information and photos of a genuine F1 so he could confront his supplier.
 
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Hi Wyatsu!

Wait with Your worries until we have seen pic's of the knife and box.
The fakes have boxes that are white on the inside!
The originals are brown on the inside.


Regards
Mikael
 
My box is brown stock on the inside as you stated.

The problem I have with the copies is they are marketed like they are the original and the price is high for what you're getting.
 
Cool there's "fake" fallknivens.

Fallkniven itself is kind of "fake."

The knives are made in Japan, their styling is Japanese, their cutting edge steel is Japanese, but they are marketed as "swedish" knives.

The company was so short on actual value, the owner could not sell it, even with a magazine ad.

Karma's a tough mistress :)
 
They are marketed by a Swedish company, but not claimed by Fällkniven to be made in Sweden!

The design, testing and development are done in Sweden.
I believe Peter has good collaboration with both Moki and Hattori in Japan.

The company was so short on actual value, the owner could not sell it, even with a magazine ad.
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Peter got some inquiries, but as the 20 000 stocked knives wasn't included, there was no closing of the deal.
As Eric joined the company and Peter recovered from his heartattacks, the company has grown but it is still a small buisness.


Regards
Mikael
 
Rigid. New York Knife Company. Camillus. Schrade. Other knife-making companies that could not be sold as going concerns. Unlike Gerber and Parker. Proving?

A knife made in Japan is a selling point for several decades.
 
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Real Fallknivens are fake ? Cool story bro. I like how you have insider info on their business transactions too. They are a Swedish company and have some manufacturing in another country, not that rare. Should Spyderco call themselves a Japanese, Italian. American, and Chinese company? No they shouldn't, but they do manufacture in all those places. Fallkniven has lots of other styles that are unmistakably Swedish. To the op, you won't have any trouble returning anything you buy from Amazon, they're good like that. You already got good tips on verifying the authenticity, especially the lamination line. Best of luck.
 
Well! Thank you guys very much, It's arriving soon! Sorry for posting in the wrong forum and thank you all for being very much like some soft-hearted-type individuals, this community has been great as far as I can see.
 
cziv said:
The good thing about A-zon is that you can return anything for about any reason. They even give you a free return slip to print out and use on the return...
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This is true, except that OP didn't buy it from Amazon. He bought it from Best Service Stores through Amazon. That makes a difference. Sometimes a big one.

I have done business with Best Service Stores through Amazon before with no problems. That doesn't mean that the knife isn't fake, just that my experiences are positive. Best Services Stores refund & return policy as posted on Amazon follows (you can look this up for anyone who does business through Amazon and each may be different):

Returns and Refunds

If you have changed your mind, we need to have the product back, postmarked within 30 days of receipt. All returns must be in their original condition, including all parts, instructions and packaging.

Please include a copy of your packing slip with your return and note your reason for return in the space provided on the back. Merchandise must be returned with appropriate shipping packaging to ensure the item is returned in good condition. We do ask that you please not affix shipping materials to the manufacturers packaging unless absolutely necessary.

Any shipping method may be used for your return. We do not offer return shipping labels for return merchandise. We do suggest all customers retain a copy of their return tracking information or postal receipt.

Your return or exchanged merchandise may be shipped to:

Best Service Stores Exchange & Refund Department

8250 NE Underground Dr.

Pillar 156G

Kansas City, Missouri 64161

If we sent the wrong item or the wrong quantity, or if you do not receive your shipment, please contact us immediately. We would be happy to assist you with a resolution.

Defective or damaged items need to be reported within 10 business days of receipt to Best Service Stores or the Manufacturer of your product. Most manufacturers would be happy to assist with warranty repair or replacement directly. We would be happy to assist if necessary.

We will only ship to the address you provide for us on your order and we will not make any changes to your address once the order is approved.

Please allow 5-7 business days for returns to be processed once they are received at our facility. Refund will be for the item price only and we do not offer refunds for shipping.

We ask that you please verify that any item you are returning to us meets the requirements listed before returning the package.

Contact this seller Phone: 866-812-8262
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@Wyatsy
Hopefully, the knife you get is real and this is all a non-issue. Best of luck. :)
 
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Sorry I missed that. I only buy when the seller is Amazon so I can take advantage of their return policy - which is awesome BTW. The boxes matched right. It sounds right.

I did a search when I posted before and the stock images look to be closer to the rear/spine area than others which appear to be dead center in the middle of the blade. :confused:
 
Mikael W said:
Hi Wyatsu!

Wait with Your worries until we have seen pic's of the knife and box.
The fakes have boxes that are white on the inside!
The originals are brown on the inside.


Regards
Mikael
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Using the box to spot fakes is a misconception. It is a proven fact that these counterfeiters have access to overrun packaging and/or the capacity to produce exact copies of the packaging. The BM balisong counterfeits are a clear case in point. The buck knives fakes are another. The packaging is likely the easier part of the counterfeiting.

Something everyone should know about counterfeits: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1080398-Counterfeits-The-Truth-of-the-matter
 
Karda said:
Using the box to spot fakes is a misconception. It is a proven fact that these counterfeiters have access to overrun packaging and/or the capacity to produce exact copies of the packaging. The BM balisong counterfeits are a clear case in point. The buck knives fakes are another. The packaging is likely the easier part of the counterfeiting.

Something everyone should know about counterfeits: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1080398-Counterfeits-The-Truth-of-the-matter
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Karda, I will have a look at that link!

I agree, the box is likely the easiest part to counterfeit!
There's probably just a matter of time before this is a fact for counterfeit F1 -A1 boxes.

To this date it is not known to Fällkniven AB, that the brown colour of the inside, have been copied by the counterfeiters!
I know this because I just spoke to Eric Hjortberger at Fällkniven over the phone.
He also emailed me a Youtube link from South America, showing the details of the original.
It's in Spanish but the pic's are clear!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2-m5mN6DK4

Armithius link to the homepage of Fällkniven, gives the differences in numbers.

Personally I buy my Fällkniven products from official dealers I have reason to trust.
Sometimes I buy them directly from Eric, but he seldom gives a discount, so mostly I get a better deal elsewhere.

Before the OP can post pictures of his new F1, we will have to wait with a full answer to the Q, if he has bought the real deal or not.


Regards
Mikael
 
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