Differential tempering?

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I was wondering if any bladesmiths here use differential tempering on any of their work?

I remember reading about the traditional process as a pre-teen, when I was very interested in the martial arts and the weapons that were a part of them (especially ninja swords :-). The process and its benefits fascinated me.
Years later, I acquired a Japanese cavalry sword from the 40's that had the hamon line I had read about so many times.

So, does anyone do it? If so, how?
I am asking purely for my own edification and for discussion. Not looking for trade secrets.
 
make blade. coat the spine and 2/3rds of the blade with magic clay mixture. heat blade to critical temperature and quench in the ocean. temper blade as needed.

I recommend you do some searches here and read read read. you can learn all the little details I left out.
 
make blade. coat the spine and 2/3rds of the blade with magic clay mixture. heat blade to critical temperature and quench in the ocean. temper blade as needed.

I recommend you do some searches here and read read read. you can learn all the little details I left out.

When i search here, I get a result with just about every thread on every forum (even when I choose to see posts instead of threads).
I can usually get around that with Googlefu, but it doesn't seem to work like it does with other forums.

Anyway, point taken.
I'll consider the thread closed.
 
Several makers do something similar to what you are talking about. There are different ways to get there though. Do you include differential hardening, clay hardening, differential tempering, basically any method to get a softer spine and harder edge? Differential tempering implies to some people (like me) a pretty specific set of methods to get the softer spine and harder edge.
 
There are two ways to get a differing hardness on the edge and on the spine.

You can differentialy harden a blade, that is the spine is coated with something "often a clay" that insulates it, where in you quench the blade and temper as normal. This process can yield a hamon line.

you can also differentialy temper a blade, which consists of quenching the blade as normal, tempering it as normal, and then keeping the edge cooled, often resting on a stone or other block in an inch-1/2 an inch of water while drawing a torch or other heat source across the spine of the blade to soften it. This does not cause a hamon line.
 
from what I have read and been told, the third way is to make up a set of "tongs" with plates long enough to grab the spine of the blade, that them up and squeeze.
 
In the stickys there is the BF custom search engine. If you search "hamon" you will get a weeks worth of reading. Yaki-ire ( creating a hamon) is actually differential hardening. Differential tempering will also regularly discussed. It is when you draw the spine down to a softer hardness after fully hardening the blade. Then there is the "edge-quench" and other partial hardening techniques. In most situations, it is best to fully harden the blade and then draw the temper as desired.
 
I will be looking for that custom search engine, and the info so far has already enlightened.
Had no idea that the process might be done "in reverse" as has been described (harden, then selectively "soften"). The process I read about was using clay in varying thickness to control the speed of cooling.
Also didn't realize that there was hardening vs. tempering.
Very cool knowledge that I will probably never be able to actually use, but am very much a "how things work" kind of person.
 
A lot of the below is in the stickys under Metallurgy, or can be found in searches.


In full hardening, the steel is turned into austenite and that is hardened by the quench into martensite. The new brittle martensite is tempered to make tempered martensite. This created a uniform and predictable edge and spine. Generally, this is the best blade.

In differential hardening, the steel is turned into austenite, and the edge is hardened into martensite while the rest converts into pearlite and some mixed structures. This usually leaves a line called a hamon. This creates a hard edge and soft spine, with a visual ( more of less) line of demarcation. The main reason for doing this is cosmetic - the hamon. It is a somewhat unpredictable technique and there may be many failures in doing it. When done right, it can make a stunning hamon.

In an edge quench, sometimes the whole blade is taken to austenite, and sometimes just the edge is heated above non-magnetic. Then only the edge is quenched and converts to martensite. The spine reverts to pearlite. There is usually a considerable amount of auto-tempering of the edge by the heat from the spine bleeding down to the edge after the quench. While some of the "Old Timers" swear by this , edge quenching is very uncontrolled and not nearly as good as full quenching, tempering, and then drawing the spine softer. This leaves a "quench line" which is similar, but not the same as a hamon.

In differential tempering, the steel is fully hardened, and then fully tempered to the edge target (say Rc59). The spine is then drawn to a lower temper with a heat source while the edge is protected from heating any higher than 400F. This creates the most predictable and strongest blade for rough use camp knives and swords.



The long and short of all the above is that tempered martensite is far stronger than pearlite, so it is best to create as much martensite as possible in the initial quench.
In yake-ire, the hamon creation is the desired result of the quenching procedure, so the spine is allowed to become pearlite to make the hamon more visible and dramatic. The blade itself is metallurgically inferior to a fully quenched and properly tempered blade ... but you will get nowhere arguing that with a Japanese smith.


In years past, a blade was usually only Rc 54-55. This made it easy to sharpen, and made breaking a blade uncommon. Today, better metallurgy and better HT processes make a smith able to turn out high quality blades at Rc hardness that would have been considered foolish in the past. A slicer may be as high as Rc 64. Most kitchen and fillet blades are Rc 60-62.
camp and hunting blades are Rc 58-60. Most makers would re-harden a blade that came out at Rc 57. That said, most makers without a good hardness tester ( and using that tester regularly) are likely under-tempering their blades. The hardness should equal the use. Just saying, "My blades are all Rc 61-62" means nothing unless that is the desired use range for the type of blade..
 
Sorry for the sarcastic response.. I could tell you were a bit confused (uninformed) with the heat treating process.. Your title stated Differential tempering where your post body discussed the hamon which is made during the hardening stage. As others have indicated the the heat treating process, in the most basic sense, is a two step process.. hardening and tempering... and there are a variety of ways to accomplish each step for both homogeneous and differential heat treating.

I was serious about searching/reading.. There is a ton of info here and if you really are fascinated about what you learned back in the day you will really be fascinated when you take in all there is to know about the metallurgy of blade steel. Most of us have just scratched the surface.

Just last evening I heat treated a blade using a satinite/ash mixture to insulate the upper 2/3rds of the blade during the hardening step to produce differential hardness and hopefully some nice ashi effects. The blade was subsequently tempered homogeneously in an oven. Here is a little video of the hardening process.

[video=youtube;DzE6hAbobAo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzE6hAbobAo&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Cheers,
Jerid
 
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