Disc sander run out

Ok got the new motor in and checked the run out on the shaft - it was perfect! Then I mounted the hub - this one went on easier, I was able to bump it w/ the palm of my hand (no hammers involved!) and get it down to where it needed to be. Then I tightened the set screw and had about .005" run out on the outer rim. Then I loosened the set screw and tried to even it up (hitting the high spot w/ my palm etc) and was able to get it within .0005 (half thousandth) of run out! But when I tightened the set screw again it went back to what it had been. Ideas?

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That sure isn't much. Do you really need to get zero? As well when you place a sandpaper disc or cut one out on the disc , what is going to happen then. I don't believe you will be able to get an absolute centering of the sandpaper and I believe this could cause a deviation. As well will you be using any sort of backing on the disc, - say thin cork? Now you will also need feathering disc cement on the disc and the hub. You will never get this on so it is even. All I'm saying here is I believe you have done well but may be reaching out a bit too far.
Frank
 
That sure isn't much. Do you really need to get zero? As well when you place a sandpaper disc or cut one out on the disc , what is going to happen then. I don't believe you will be able to get an absolute centering of the sandpaper and I believe this could cause a deviation. As well will you be using any sort of backing on the disc, - say thin cork? Now you will also need feathering disc cement on the disc and the hub. You will never get this on so it is even. All I'm saying here is I believe you have done well but may be reaching out a bit too far.
Frank

Thanks Frank! Well it doesn't have to be perfect but .005" run out causes a lot of wobbling which I'm trying to minimize if possible. But it may not be, I don't know what's normal.

I'm just using feathering adhesive on my discs, no backing.
 
One speck of dust or dirt between the hub and the grinding plate will affect the run-out too. I'd say .005 TIR is good enough for the application. As Frank mentioned, Thickness of adhesive left behind from previous belts will probably affect the run-out more than .005". I never checked my Nelson disk(s). I just installed them and they work great.

Good luck,

Mike L.
 
Yeah a few thou I wouldn't be worried about. You have to remember that the disc isn't a magic "flatness" bullet. Your SFM is increasing by orders of magnitude higher as you approach the outer edge of the disc, so your grinding rates aren't remotely the same over a part. You can get relative flatness on things like scales with proper technique, but getting parallelism is extremely tricky.

If it's noticeably wobbling (I tried a couple of aluminum discs before switching to the neilson, which is what you appear to have, and it was much better than the aluminum ones), I'd check everything around the spindle of the motor, make sure it's clean and dirt free, and check the bore and keyway area of the hub. Deburr the keyway, and make sure you install a fresh key. Reusing the same one a dozen times will throw you way out sometimes because of the impressions from the set screw.

If it's not wobbling enough to make the system vibrate and make it difficult to ride the disc, then it's not enough to worry about. Remember, this is only a relatively precise tool. If you want real flatness and parallelism there are specialized tools that are huge and heavy for a reason (mill, surface grinder, etc.).


Why does the inside of your hub look so mangled up? Mine didn't look like that.
 
Yeah a few thou I wouldn't be worried about. You have to remember that the disc isn't a magic "flatness" bullet. Your SFM is increasing by orders of magnitude higher as you approach the outer edge of the disc, so your grinding rates aren't remotely the same over a part. You can get relative flatness on things like scales with proper technique, but getting parallelism is extremely tricky.

If it's noticeably wobbling (I tried a couple of aluminum discs before switching to the neilson, which is what you appear to have, and it was much better than the aluminum ones), I'd check everything around the spindle of the motor, make sure it's clean and dirt free, and check the bore and keyway area of the hub. Deburr the keyway, and make sure you install a fresh key. Reusing the same one a dozen times will throw you way out sometimes because of the impressions from the set screw.

If it's not wobbling enough to make the system vibrate and make it difficult to ride the disc, then it's not enough to worry about. Remember, this is only a relatively precise tool. If you want real flatness and parallelism there are specialized tools that are huge and heavy for a reason (mill, surface grinder, etc.).


Why does the inside of your hub look so mangled up? Mine didn't look like that.

Ok I'll take it off and take a look. Maybe there's some slop in the key on this one because when i tighten it down that's when everything gets wobbly.

Is that where you whacked it with a hammer the first time ?


https://youtu.be/oG7Sv99gqQ4?t=4m3s

Yes, that's from where I was tapping it with my brass hammer - from the video i would classify them as dings lol, it's not mushroomed or anything. I shoulda used a rubber mallet or something... oh well :D
 
Well by way of an update... I mounted the disc sander on my magnetic chuck on the surface grinder, ran an extension cord to it, then turned both on and trued up the aluminum hub, then each of my flat discs. I'm sitting around .001" run out at the very outer edge of the disc, which is good enough for me! Now I don't get the "psst, psst, psst" sound when grinding something.

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Josh, You made a nice fix on this. You will now get flat blades. I use a surface grinder but I always go to the disc afterwards to get a smooth even finish and then hand sand. Go slow and change paper often and you will not need a surface grinder to get a nice flat knife blade in my opinion. Good for you...that is a first class disc grinder and table. Larry



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And it WAS for sure very carefully balanced in the making.
Frank

Oh yeah I'm not knocking Rod! I love his system! This one I trued I actually dropped upon installing... User error! I've got a second one from rod which was pictured above but haven't messed with that yet.
 
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