DIY 4x36 into a 2x72 grinder conversion

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Someone liked my grinder and wanted me to make a WIP/Tutorial on my conversion. So, here it is with lots of pictures.

When I started I bought a 4x36 3/4HP grinder from Menards. They currently have them around $80, same at HF and other places. I thought that you just needed a way to fit a longer belt on the grinder and this could be done by adding a wheel to the top of the grinder. This is what I came up with.
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I made an upside down "T" out of 1"x1"x1/8" angle and 1.5" square tubing. I wouldn't recommend stainless, it's a pain to weld compared to mild. I welded a couple brackets near the ends to keep it square. Right next to the brackets are fasteners that I use to bolt it to the top of the 4x36.
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For the contact wheel, I got an 8" caster from Northern Tools. I checked through a few and chose the best one. You're looking for one that rolls oothly and doesn't wobble. Wobbling is BAD! They cost $40 at northern. I welded the caster frame to a 1 1/4" square tube. I drilled and tapped 4-40 threaded into the 1.5" tube, 4 on each side. Two on top and two about 2" down. This allows fine tuning of the rotation of the contact wheel for tracking. Not the best design, but it was cheap, easy, and effective. This is the caster used http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_40272_40272&issearch=18927.
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Replace the bearings in the caster, the ones it comes with are junk. You need 1 3/16" x 1/2" lip bearings.
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Don't forget to wrap 5-6 loops of electrical tape down the middle of the caster. This gives it a crown and allows the belt to track perfectly on the caster.
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Lastly, you will need to balance the caster. Loosen the bolt holding it so it freely spins. The heavy part of the wheel will be at the bottom. I attached magnets to the top of the wheel as shown. Until it's balanced the magnets will revolve to the top. When it's balanced the magnets will no longer revolve to the top. You can also drill out the heavy part of the wheel until balanced, but this is much more time consuming.
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Lastly, you might want a platen. This also requires some welding. I used a 2" wide aluminum plate and welded aluminum plates to the sides. Mild steel would be much easier to weld. Bolt them on both sides of the support tube and they are sturdy and square to the contact wheel.

If all goes right, you've converted an $80 grinder that is by all accounts useless for blade smithing into a very usable 2x72 grinder with a 12" flat platen, 8" contact wheel, 24", 12", and 3" slack grinding abilities. Concerns were raised about the tension spring not being strong enough, but I've never had the belt slip. The built in tracking, however, is completely useless.
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The tracking is rock solid from the tape around the contact wheel. If you remove the tape for hollow grinds, then you can adjust the 4-40 screws on the 1.5" tube. Tighten the right sides and loosen the left or vice versa to adjust the tracking. Slow and tedious, but effective and cheap. I thing I can redesign it to be easier. Give me a few days.

I should note that the 1 1/4" tube can be cut to length. I can extend it enough to use a 4" caster or shorten it enough to use a 12". Also, place magnets underneath the bottom of the belt/top of the base to pick up the metal shavings. It works great and lower the dust.

I love this conversion because it allows you to use the great quality 2x72 belts at such a low cost. The real key was figuring out the casters. I started with a lawn mower wheel and it worked for about 30 seconds. The casters were marginally better until I replaced the bearings.
 
Yes, the wheel on the back side has tension/tracking. The lever is used to replace the belts, but the tracking knob is quite useless. You want the 2x72 belts under more tension than the 4x36 belts normally need. When I loosened up the tension the 2x72 belt would slip. I should also mention that you need to remove the guards from the unit, that's the side you want to grind on.
 
I'm wondering about replacing the caster with some other setup to use regular grinder wheels. It will probably cost a bit more and require some extra fabrication, but offer more options after the fact.

As it is now I'm tempted to do this to my 4x36 hitachi. I can't afford to do a grinder in a box once you factor in all the other stuff needed, but I really want to move to a 2x72 for the belt selection and efficiency. It would still be too fast, but making progress.
 
The support for the caster should be able to fit any wheel up to 8". The width is the same and it uses a ½" bolt for an axle. Just pop in your 4", 5", or 8" serrated wheel and away you go. I think you'll find that you mainly use the wheel for hollow grinding, most work is done on the flat platen.
 
That's really showing how to make the most of your stuff Charles! The fact you're turning out all those knives on this machine proves its efficacy. I think you should get a gold star for your work. :)
 
This is VERY cool. You're my hero!

I'm wondering how in the world you do a hollow grind with the big wheel when it's sticking way above your head. Do you set it on the floor or what? Since you have a "bump" of tape around the caster, doesn't it cause problems doing a hollow grind?

For your next project convert a Sears 2x42 into a 2x72 grinder please.

LonePine
AKA Paul Meske, Wisconsin
 
It is very cool, the only problem I see is that with some 4x36 sanders....you can stall them pretty easily. Noticed that today sanding on a walnut handle on my cousin's 4x36.
 
It is very cool, the only problem I see is that with some 4x36 sanders....you can stall them pretty easily. Noticed that today sanding on a walnut handle on my cousin's 4x36.

Mine is the ProMax from Menards and it's rated for 6 amps which is just a hair under 1HP. My neighbor's craftsman 4x36 is 3 amps and does stall very easily. I can stall mine, but not with a sharp belt. Jim Siska might be able to stall it. That guy puts some force into his grinding. Hehehe.
 
This is VERY cool. You're my hero!

I'm wondering how in the world you do a hollow grind with the big wheel when it's sticking way above your head. Do you set it on the floor or what? Since you have a "bump" of tape around the caster, doesn't it cause problems doing a hollow grind?

For your next project convert a Sears 2x42 into a 2x72 grinder please.

LonePine
AKA Paul Meske, Wisconsin
First, I suck at hollow grinding. I've been practicing and just can't get it anywhere close to even. I have the same results on Dave's Bader as I do on my conversion. The tape doesn't seem to make a difference. Second, most 4x36 grinders can be used horizontal or vertical. When made vertical the wheel is right in front of you and the flat platen is facing the ground.
 

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This is VERY cool! Thanks for posting. You're giving me ideas for my Craftsman 2 x 42"...
 
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