DIY Search and Rescue: What gear do you use?

Untrained searchers wandering around aimlesslessly waiving flashlights are one of the worst things that can happen to a search.

Understand what the searchers are trying to do is rule out certain areas as much as they are tracking. Not all sar personnel are experienced trackers, but even a novice sar type can "cut for sign" along one of the easier places to cut. That might be a creek bank, a fence, a road berm etc. What happens is those teams cut for sign, if they fiind none, obviously, the target isn't in the area beyond.

Imagine say a square of land with a road going right down the middle. The last known position is in the southwest of the square. If SAR cuts the road, finds no sign then the actual area of search is just the western half of the box. (Yes, they will occasionally cut that road again to make sure the target hasn't crossed the road later.)

The better trackers and maybe a a k9 will often start at the last known position and start tracking. Other teams may follow creek banks, trails, ridgelines, or whatever in that left half of the box to further cut down the area to be searched.

If you've had 150 well-meaning but untrained people wandering around through the search area, the search is going nowhere fast.

You think you're helping but you may well cost someone their life. Even if the untrained wanderers don't obliterate the sign, they make the job of sar drastically more difficult by forcing us to check all that other footsign that we may or may not manage to find the real target's footsign before the weather wipes if from the earth.

SAR isn't just wandering around with a flashlight looking under bushes. If you want to do it, get the training and join the hunt. Even basic tracking skills learned from sar are very helpful in many different areas.
 
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Great responses and some really insightful comments from those with SAR experience.

Do you think that a well-marked, well-trodden trail and a clear "last known location" changes your opinion on having experienced hikers (but inexperienced searchers) conduct their own search?

Would you say it's a pretty clear-cut rule that those without experience should never do their own search (unless they can't reach SAR), or is it appropriate in simpler circumstances?

Keep 'em coming! I'm learning a ton here!
 
Do you think that a well-marked, well-trodden trail and a clear "last known location" changes your opinion on having experienced hikers (but inexperienced searchers) conduct their own search?

Honestly, no.

Numerous times we've had family and friends try and help with a search, and in some sense the resources they can provide are an asset. But for the most part, they just make it worse.

Gonna sound like an ass here, but family wanting to help is the worst. I perfectly understand why, and the motives overall, but its just ends up making it worse unless they are trained in the field.

We had a river search, the missing person was last seen around 2 hours prior to us arriving on scene. He could not swim, was intoxicated, and had work gear on. In other words, we knew it was a body recovery, not a search for a living person. With that said, we couldn't come out and tell the family that, and with them being on scene before we arrived, they had turned up the river so much with their high end power boats looking for him it ruined most of the chances we had. We search the river, and the banks with a pole and hook, trawling the river and minor enbankment searchs. I ended up being 3 months later when the river went down that his body was recovered. Now, i cant say for sure that the actions of the family are the reason for us not finding him in a timely manor, but considering how all the other River rescues I've done, I have a strong feeling it was.


What im trying to say in the end is this.

Unless it is absolutely necessary for you, friends or family to look for someone, don't. And really, I can't think of a time it would be, unless you just watched them fall off a cliff, and you are rope trained and first-aid then yes, help them. That few minutes of emergency first aid could mean life and death for them. But if its a " well, my friend went hunting this morning, and I know where his blind is, im going to go and start looking for him" don't, call authorities, and have the right people in, you knowing the area could mean alot to them as well.
 
That few minutes of emergency first aid could mean life and death for them. .

This is why I like hiking and hunting with my father and wife. He is an ER doc and she is a nurse. Lol, he teaches alot of the courses for first resonders etc.

I'm not saying he would be good at the searching part though.
 
Since this is a *very* busy forum, my comments are intended for the lowest common denominator.

If someone finds this thread via seach the 1st thing to do is call in the professional SAR Teams.

That being said, when working in LE, i saw some of the "SAR" types and yea, i'd prefer to direct a search myself.

Since this is such a complex topic i'll try to constrain my remarks to equipment.

Many of the items i choose for SAR are included in my EDC bag. However, SAR does add significant component additions depending on the seach terrain/weather/season.

Obviously, i'd bring along 'select' basic meds/medical supplies - and any potential allergies to meds the victim may have. Additionally, i'd bring lotsa water, some easily consumed fluids (sports drinks, etc), extra insulation, materiel for assisted carry's, lighting, commo if it's available (handhelds), light wgt stove/pan for making warm beverages, hi-calorie foods.

Also, i'd bring along whistles or signalling devices, nav gear (good maps/compass) and my GPS for track tracing/recording (which gets into search methodology which i'm not fully qual'ed to discuss beyond the basic search methods).

Some of the simplest things like an extra set of batteries for headlamps/GPS, SHARPIE markers and "grease pencils" for marking search areas can be forgotten/overlooked - it can (and does) happen to anyone.

Also, knowing the victim's name and/or other important information about them - trying to assure them they are going to be OK. It's important to not lie about their injuries, but at the same time encourage and help instill hope that they're going to come out OK.

One of, if not *the*, most important things to have is a calm mindset. Frenzy and haste lead quickly to chaos - never a good atmosphere. When the victim is found, it's important to make calm, deliberate assessments of their physical/emotional health as well as assessing their immediate environment for any life-threatening conditions. Then its time to communicate with other Search Team Members and get them "back" ASAP - safely.
 
Do you think that a well-marked, well-trodden trail and a clear "last known location" changes your opinion on having experienced hikers (but inexperienced searchers) conduct their own search?
Not really. Say you just send two people out--it never happens like that BTW it's always like 100 people by the time all the hunter friends, VFD, and Joe Bob down the street who owns an ATV get the word--just two people triple the amount of footsign the tracking teams need to look at. Understand that the reason we say "footsign" instead of "footprints" is because the substantial majority (maybe 90%) of the footsign is just a scuff, or a few turned rocks, or some bent foliage. So it may well take some time to determine whether that footsign is the target or the well-meaning, bumbling untrained "rescuers". We would waste substantial time just trying to figure out which is which. BTW- rescue teams develop methods to tell others which trail belongs to the first tracker.

If you're into it, just get some training. You'll be surprised how little time it takes to learn the basics. Then it's just a matter of practicing while you're in the bush anyway. A little tracking skill is an excellent "survival" skill. You're never really lost because you can just turn around and track yourself back out. Obviously, it's helpful for hunting too.

My bias is for LE SAR teams also, but that's just from my experience. I've seen good and bad in SAR teams that are independent SAR-only teams as well as LE, fire, and EMS only agency teams. I know a sheriff's department team that thinks that one needs no SAR training and the only piece of additional equipment one needed is a pouch of tobacco. :)
 
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This is why I like hiking and hunting with my father and wife. He is an ER doc and she is a nurse. Lol, he teaches alot of the courses for first resonders etc.

I'm not saying he would be good at the searching part though.

You sir are a lucky man.:D:thumbup:


Some of the simplest things like an extra set of batteries for headlamps/GPS, SHARPIE markers and "grease pencils" for marking search areas can be forgotten/overlooked - it can (and does) happen to anyone


funny you mention that. I was on a search and while out, we had horrible radio reception in this area we were in, we had contact with Command, but not with the swift water team, and Command had no contact with them either. Know how I got their attention from the 1000ft bank we were on? Signal mirror.

It is the simple things that make most of what happens in a search to much easier.
 
This a very interesting read.

Really got me reevaluating my ideas for sure.

Thank you.
 
Good thread, lot's of good info. How would you go about getting involved with a sar team? Or just getting the necessary skills and training to help keep yourself and others safer in the bush? Thanks for any information.
 
You sir are a lucky man.:D:thumbup:





funny you mention that. I was on a search and while out, we had horrible radio reception in this area we were in, we had contact with Command, but not with the swift water team, and Command had no contact with them either. Know how I got their attention from the 1000ft bank we were on? Signal mirror.

It is the simple things that make most of what happens in a search to much easier.


Dude, thats AWESOME thinking!!! It's always cool to see the old skool ways kickin' it right!

One of my personal philosophies is that there can be lots of *right* ways to do things (as there are lots ways to do things wrong!!!) and to keep an open mind in the process.

Yea, whistles, signal mirrors, smoke cannisters (if you can get 'em), etc are all part of "signalling" and imho essential - especially so in varied/rough terrain.
 
Dude, thats AWESOME thinking!!! It's always cool to see the old skool ways kickin' it right!

One of my personal philosophies is that there can be lots of *right* ways to do things (as there are lots ways to do things wrong!!!) and to keep an open mind in the process.

Yea, whistles, signal mirrors, smoke cannisters (if you can get 'em), etc are all part of "signalling" and imho essential - especially so in varied/rough terrain.

Hey, I was happy, that little AMK rescue mirror saved me from walking up and down 1500 feet for 2km.:thumbup::D
 
Good thread, lot's of good info. How would you go about getting involved with a sar team? Or just getting the necessary skills and training to help keep yourself and others safer in the bush? Thanks for any information.

Best bet is to contact your local LE Station, they would have the quickest info on any local groups, the other thing would be to google local teams in your area, not all but alot of groups have web sites now and are eager to get new people in.

If that isnt a route you want to go, Then take some courses in these areas:

1. First Aid, the higher level the better.
2. Tracking course.
3. Swift water courses.
4. Navigation (lots of local colleges have small courses like these running)
5. Survival Skills (luckily this site is one of the best resources for that area)
6. Just get out in the woods as much as possible, testing your self and practice, practice, practice as they say.:thumbup:
 
Id bring a helocopter, a radio, and a SAR team. Then Id let them do their stuff.

Seriously, on the rescues Ive been on, its better to just let us work.
 
Good thread, lot's of good info. How would you go about getting involved with a sar team? Or just getting the necessary skills and training to help keep yourself and others safer in the bush? Thanks for any information.

National Association of SAR is another source. They have team links and a pretty good initial triaining course called FUNSAR (Fundamentals of SAR).
 
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