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DLC coated Busse blades (Jaxx, others?)
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Jaxx and OP,
Does the process required for this include heating the steel during the process? I worked in a heat treat/coating facility and in order to transfer the titanium from the "target" to the tooling required the target or the area around it to reach a state of plasma (if I remember correctly-it was cool to watch throught the looking glass). The tooling and target were placed in a vacuum with the tooling encircled around it within a couple of feet so I was thinking the tooling would get kind of warm since the target/area was reaching a state of plasma. Don't remember if the tooling was heat-treated aftwards in a separate process.
Just wondering if the heat, if any, would affect the performance of the knife after the treatment.
Wish I would have picked the engineers brain some more. He was part of a team that developed the first laser video discs (the one's that looked like a big record).
Thanks.
Jason
Does the process required for this include heating the steel during the process? I worked in a heat treat/coating facility and in order to transfer the titanium from the "target" to the tooling required the target or the area around it to reach a state of plasma (if I remember correctly-it was cool to watch throught the looking glass). The tooling and target were placed in a vacuum with the tooling encircled around it within a couple of feet so I was thinking the tooling would get kind of warm since the target/area was reaching a state of plasma. Don't remember if the tooling was heat-treated aftwards in a separate process.
Just wondering if the heat, if any, would affect the performance of the knife after the treatment.
Wish I would have picked the engineers brain some more. He was part of a team that developed the first laser video discs (the one's that looked like a big record).
Thanks.
Jason
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Yes, the Diamond Black process does involve heat treating to no greater than 425 degrees. I was assured that this should not hurt the steel's HT in the slightest. Kershaw, Spartan Knives, and Ken Onion have all used this very same IonBond coating on their knives/blades with no problems to the steel. :thumbup: I own a necker from Spartan Knives, and it's DLC finish is quite tough. The steel of this is S30V and doesn't seem to be affected.
Yes, the Diamond Black process does involve heat treating to no greater than 425 degrees. I was assured that this should not hurt the steel's HT in the slightest. Kershaw, Spartan Knives, and Ken Onion have all used this very same IonBond coating on their knives/blades with no problems to the steel. :thumbup: I own a necker from Spartan Knives, and it's DLC finish is quite tough. The steel of this is S30V and doesn't seem to be affected.
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Thanks Jaxx. Now I need to go visit some websites
I wonder how my DoubleCut SAR8 would look with it and how much. The wife is gonna kill me!!!
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Thanks Jaxx. Now I need to go visit some websites
I wonder how my DoubleCut SAR8 would look with it and how much. The wife is gonna kill me!!!
When you do it post some pics. I think it will look sick! Kind of like a matte black fiinish.
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Mind posting larger photos of your pistol?
I barely missed the opportunity to buy a DLC coated 1911 from Yost-Bonitz a couple of years ago. It looked amazing, I'll dig up a photo to post.
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That's what I would expect as the temperature for the substrate. The Titanium source will be raised to much higher temperatures ... but that's no problem for the knife itself.
Sounds solid to me.
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well, I haven't had any DLC coated blades, but i do have a super-hard coated Henkel of some variety. I hate it. it got dull, of course, but is too hard to sharpen. besides that, it is serrated, and should really be flat-ground on one side.
all that to say I really like a steel that will take an edge and hold it, without a super-hard coating.
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all that to say I really like a steel that will take an edge and hold it, without a super-hard coating.
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Well, it was pretty much sold on the condition that I would get the DLC treatment done. He did his homework, and found the DLC he wanted, and what company to call. I tried to get him to let Busse coat it but he was persistent about this coating being exactly what he wanted, so I handled the details and learned quite a bit in the process. Although I needed the cash, I was kinda hoping that he'd back out once I saw how cool it looked! The pix really don't do it justice. The indoor shot does better resemble the effect of the DLC on the knife, but the handle colors didn't pop like they do in outside pix. I'd bet that this Diamond Black would look smokin' on a Nuclear Meltdown model Busse! :thumbup:
Yep, I do love that Drunken Duty, thanks! Amazing how many offers were received on that one, and some were painful to turn down, but that one will stay here for a good long time... Might even get to be a user!
IonBond does the Sig Sauer coating. What options did you pick? I assume you had to ship it back to busse to replace the scales?
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Not sure what you mean about 'options'...But it was done as a custom piece by IonBond's in-house gunsmith & special projects guy. The DLC is called "Diamond Black".
And about the handles, no. I asked Ban Tang if he'd remove and then re-attach the handle slabs and he was kind enough to do it for me. He got them back on so well, I couldn't tell that they were ever off the knife.
This knife covered many miles to get this done...PA to CA to N.C. to CA, and then back to PA before going to FL for overseas shipping to Suriname. The Buyer paid a good chunk of cash in extra shipping fees, not to mention the cost of the job and handles...and of course the knife. Thanks jaxx.
Ion Bond specializes in a number of coatings. PVD, PACVD, PECVD, CVD, DLC, ADLC ...
Dunno which one "Diamond Black" refers to.
Sig Sauer uses them for their "nitron" coating. But any details beyond that are elusive. Other companies use the molten salt bath of melonite, tennifer, nitro-carborizing, etc. It would be interesting to see what that would do to a knive's performance. You'd have to apply it before the heat treatment begins as molten salt is very very hot.
Ion Bond specializes in a number of coatings. PVD, PACVD, PECVD, CVD, DLC, ADLC ...
Dunno which one "Diamond Black" refers to.
Sig Sauer uses them for their "nitron" coating. But any details beyond that are elusive. Other companies use the molten salt bath of melonite, tennifer, nitro-carborizing, etc. It would be interesting to see what that would do to a knive's performance. You'd have to apply it before the heat treatment begins as molten salt is very very hot.