Do you use a Pin Press for bolsters?

PEU

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Hi Guys, do you use regularly a pin press for attaching bolsters?

I'm itching to build one with a bottle jack, got many ideas from old threads, but would like to read more recent reviews or drawback histories.

If you have photos or insights, please share!
If I make it I promise lots of photos!

Thanks!


Pablo
 
Peu,
Someone that makes traditional Bowies can help you!
I use Loveless Bolts for the firm mechanical connection but I wish you the best!
 
no, I don't use one
respectfully it seems that a press is more work than the return you will get from it.

Isn't it seconds to hammer a pin for a bolster?
How many pins do you expect to do?

If you are itching to build one for one, well that's different, but seems to me that practically from a time investment, it's not the best economical choice

regards
 
Every now and then the pins return from their invisibility to say hello :mad:, sometimes with the last polish, and I hate when this happens.
I use a modified drill bit (tappered) to slightly taper the hole and hammer the hell out of each pin.
So I tought, I would rather invest in a homemade press, probably a day of work, to have this problem solved for good.

Pablo
 
If doing domed pins, or a slipjoint pivot, I use a hammer, it takes me seconds, no rigging, nothing complicated, and no other method I've found gives the same results, or gives you the latitude to work with the various angles of radiused handle material, or odd spots like the depths of stag. On the other hand, for pinning bolsters for fixed blades, with hidden pins, I use my bench vise to squeeze them. You have to have a good solid vise without a lot of wiggle, and a decent sized one that has a lot of pressure, but it's quick, and foolproof once you figure it out.

You have to learn how much pin stick-out, and it works easiest with 3/32 or larger pins, 1/8" is better. Leave the pins sticking out less than the pin diameter, make sure you grind them square, stick the bolsters on, pin in, put it between the vise jaws, and crank it down as hard as you can (if you have a really large vise, use discretion and don't crank it too hard or you'll mar the bolsters). Grind the heads off and you're done. If everything was flat, it should be extremely tight and the pins will hide perfectly.


One thing that's really really important with hiding pins: you need clean pin holes, without burrs or a bunch of chatter inside. Use a tapered pin reamer to ream the holes, by hand. You can use a small tap wrench, pin vise, or graver holder to hold the reamer, get one that fits comfortably inside the hole without bottoming, and turn a few turns by hand, and then look closely with an optivisor inside the hole to be sure it's clean. Your pin stock must be clean (bright finish is optimal) also. Once you're comfortable with it, it takes only a second per hole, and you'll know without looking, by feel, when it's right.
 
I'm going to have to try the vise trick. I took the 6" off my bench, but I still have the 7.5" blacksmith vise behind the shop.
I've been using a bench block (chunk of 4" 4140 round stock faced off in the lathe, hardened, and lapped dead flat and smooth) and a hammer with mirror polished faces. It works well, but does take some time. And I'll screw the occasional one up by not smashing it quite enough.

I wonder about a big Arbor press?
 
I'm going to have to try the vise trick. I took the 6" off my bench, but I still have the 7.5" blacksmith vise behind the shop.
I've been using a bench block (chunk of 4" 4140 round stock faced off in the lathe, hardened, and lapped dead flat and smooth) and a hammer with mirror polished faces. It works well, but does take some time. And I'll screw the occasional one up by not smashing it quite enough.

I wonder about a big Arbor press?

Be careful trying a leg vise, the jaws don't move square to each other, and they often aren't completely parallel or flat. Ideally you want a good tight machinist style vise. A large arbor press could work, but it'll have a greater chance for error I think. The advantage of a vise is that you can squeeze it just snug, make sure everything is aligned without having to hold the knife or anything square, then once you're certain, crank on it. With an arbor press you'll likely have to use one hand to try and hold everything square, and another to pull the handle.

Not sure how you get by without a vise on the bench, I've got one on just about every flat surface in the shop, and am constantly looking for places to put more.. ;) Always wanting one higher, lower, larger, smaller, I'd need 4 arms instead of 3 without them. =\
 
Oh I do have a vise on every flat surface in my shop. There are two within arm's reach of where my chair goes at the bench. I just took the 6" Morgan off, and put a second small vise on to free up some bench space.

I'm one of the slightly nutty vise collectors from garage journal, and I have at least half my vises in storage with no place to put then
 
These three photos detail my procedure, tappered drill, 3mm pins with 3mm extra on both sides, hammer, shape. This one worked out great.
I think the press will make things more controllable and less violent.

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Pablo
 
Chamfer your bolster holes with one of these. I purchased this from Texas knife supply I think. I run it in just enough to make a mark a little less than an eighth of a inch deep and hammer my pins in slowly with a 2 lb ball peen hammer. I have done hundreds this way. Larry

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Peu I use your same way and work fine. The preparation of both holes and pins is important. Before assembling all, I clean the pins with a bit of sandpaper.
 
These three photos detail my procedure, tappered drill, 3mm pins with 3mm extra on both sides, hammer, shape. This one worked out great.
I think the press will make things more controllable and less violent.

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eCYO3Um.jpg

IPE3LXj.jpg



Pablo
I Think that you taper hole to deep and there was no material in pin to expand enough to fill all that space ...... You need shallow taper hole in bolster .Also I think that is imoprtant to use same material for bolster and pin....
This is my first knive make like that .You can not see gap with microscope ....The taper in the hole is about 3mm deep and width is 1mm more then hole . More than enough to hold :)

PS . I use washer on the other side thick as how much pin protrude from hole when I start to hit pin with hammer .....and I use that washer from both side until I have pinned enough material on both sides .

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Thanks for the replies guys.
Yes, I use the same alloy, 304ss, can't find matched 4xx sheet and rods, always there are slight differences.
Ok, the pin press is on hold, will implement some of the suggestions in this thread.


Pablo
 
Pablo, I also pregrind my bolsters about 70% before piening them on, that way you don't gring past the beveled section and get the pin to show.
I use a brass pin on stainless that way i can see it to push it out.
 
On Loveless style guards I'll preshape as well. I quite like roll pins for the temporary ones. You can reuse them several times, and they won't vibrate out like normal pins sometimes can
 
Roll/spring pins! Great idea!

Pablo, I also pregrind my bolsters about 70% before piening them on, that way you don't gring past the beveled section and get the pin to show.
I use a brass pin on stainless that way i can see it to push it out.
Used to do this long time ago, not a fan really, sometimes the brass pins were a pain in the rear to remove...

Pablo
 
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