Doc Holliday's Slip joint

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http://www.cowboystory.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=766

hey guys just wondering what pattern would this folder that Doc Holliday owned be? kinda cool seeing one of the big old west figures knives coming up for sale! :thumbup:

I'm a Doc "fan boy" of a sort. :D

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Oh and does anyone recognize who the maker would be with a brass handle like that?
 
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No problem, when I got linked to it the first place I though to post it was in here...I did a quick edit to try and show the knife a little better, seems like something a gentlemen would have carried with the engravings and such on it.
 
The term "Skeleton Knife" comes to mind; pg. 238 of LG4 is where I saw a similar type referenced. The pic in LG4 is from 1925, and Holiday was around a long time before that, so I could be wrong.

Bernard's I.D. forum here could probably help.

~Chris
 
Yep, agreed on it being a skeleton knife with thin metal shell handles -- at the time the "carcass" (the working parts) was most likely Sheffield made. The shell handle looks pretty generic, so dunno where it may have been added. Here's some about skeleton knives at the beginning of this page in the Sheffield thread and toward the end of the previous page: Sheffield skeleton knives - carcasses and some completed examples -- the shell handles were usually made up to look rather thicker and more solid than they actually were.
 
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Very interesting, thanks guys for posting that stuff up...learn something new every day! :)

I wonder then if those handle shells were US made (or at least the initials added in the US) or if he ordered it in specially, he was a fairly refined gent and most media portrays him with very fine pistols and knives. Which is why I found seeing his pistol and knife so interesting, besides his initials on the handle it is fairly plain.
 
According to the web site referred to by the OP the "collection" is for sale for a cool $195K.
What I really like is the part at the bottom of the page where you just specify how many you want and then just click "Buy Now".

I need to start some web-pages and sell some of the "collections" I have. LOL!!
 
Yeah, they'd have to throw down some serious provenance to convince me that this is all the real thing. The question Robert.B implied above is an important one: would Doc have actually carried a knife like this? Perhaps if it was given to him by someone special to him, but it doesn't seem to match up with his persona all that well -- a fine ivory or pearl penknife I could see.
 
Yeah, they'd have to throw down some serious provenance to convince me that this is all the real thing. The question Robert.B implied above is an important one: would Doc have actually carried a knife like this? Perhaps if it was given to him by someone special to him, but it doesn't seem to match up with his persona all that well -- a fine ivory or pearl penknife I could see.

Yep, the pistol and knife don't fit in with the persona every piece of media portrays him as (Wyatt Earp himself described him as being very refined and well to do)...I just didn't want to flat out say it if these are the real deal.

But the choices he would have had for a folder it seems surreal he would pick something like that (so the possibility it was a sentimental gift could fit in).
 
:D I suppose though, that a lot of this would have to do with what Earp thought was meant by 'well to do'.

Depending on time and place in history, this could mean anything from having two pigs to owning shoes. :D
 
Yeah, they'd have to throw down some serious provenance to convince me that this is all the real thing. The question Robert.B implied above is an important one: would Doc have actually carried a knife like this? Perhaps if it was given to him by someone special to him, but it doesn't seem to match up with his persona all that well -- a fine ivory or pearl penknife I could see.

Yeah, I have to go along with that.

In his day, being a pro gambling man was a risky line of work. If you're any good, then 100% of your clients are going to be pissed at you by the end of the night. Either their will be sore losers for a poorly played game on their own part, or they accuse you of cheating and try to kill you. This is no time for obsolete tools like a percussion revolver.

People like the latest. In this case, by the late 1870's, the cartridge revolver was it. If they couldn't afford one, then the old cap and ball was converted. A lawman, outlaw, or gambler needed a good gun, and in a day when the metallic cartridge revolver was available to those on the edge, they'd have one or three around. Not to mention any little hide out pieces around.

I think it would be the same with knives. Being a gambler, there would be times when Doc was flush with money bulging in his pockets. He came from what I understand to be a genteel background, so I think he'd have something a little nicer than a shell handle pocket knife. Or maybe not. hard to tell with knives. But the field of western paraphenalia is one flooded with fake stuff.

It may his knife, or maybe not. I'd want iron clad providence.

But it is an interesting little knife anyways.:D

Carl.
 
It may his knife, or maybe not. I'd want iron clad providence.

But it is an interesting little knife anyways.:D

Carl.


You'll be able to thank providence if you obtain that provenance. ;)
 
Being a gambler, there would be times when Doc was flush with money bulging in his pockets. He came from what I understand to be a genteel background, so I think he'd have something a little nicer than a shell handle pocket knife. Or maybe not.

Perhaps this was his knife for day-to-day tasks, and there was a dirk or Bowie type to help settle disagreements.

(For the record, I'm extremely skeptical of the whole DH collection. Makes for a fun discussion, though.)

-- Mark
 
Yup, provenance would be huge. After roaming around Bernard's forum for the last couple of years, I'm amazed how legit something is made to appear, until you really get into the details. (Prov. 18:17, & all that.)

On the other hand, I bet Elliott is secretly negotiating a backroom trade - all his Stockmans for this little collection. ;)

Just make sure you post pics! And, you have to do a giveaway or two to celebrate yer good fortune! :D

~Chris
 
On the other hand, I bet Elliott is secretly negotiating a backroom trade - all his Stockmans for this little collection. ;)

~Chris

Ordinarily I'd say I'm your huckleberry to that but there's no way I'm handing over my stock knives! O.K.? ;)
 

Boy, somebody really needs to 'corral' the puns around here! ;)

By way of provenance, what exactly is there for these pieces in the collection with Holiday's knife? I'll sit down later and look into it, but I can't imagine there'd be anything concrete. I've got several old Little John's Auction review books here, and they'll spend weeks or months verifying provenance before an item goes up for bidding. And the letter in the shadow box frame...has nothing to do with Holiday's personal belongings? Did I miss something? :confused:

Personally, I wonder if the knife might be legit, but the rest of the stuff was added for a better display. Hmmmm...

~Chris
 
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