DOCBART be in AWARENESS when or if you do Business w/ in !

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Fellow Blade Forum members and Warriors and Knife enthusiasts. Unfortunately a matter must be addressed that I can no longer let go unaddressed.
I was interestred in a Knife for sale by Doc Bart. I agreed to his full price and sent him out a Fed Ex. Overnight w/ M.O.
he received it on 2/8/2000. I waited about 1 week and 3 days still no knife. I emailed him and he gave me the lame excuse that some girl had lost my email address. (which could have been obtained from either Blade Forums Webmaster w/ explanation or any of my postings which are visible and regular). He said please give my email address to him so he can send me the knife. I told him no need I already purchased another. I went that weekend and picked up the knife at Knife Expo 2000 in Buena Park. He said fine and would give me a refund. I am still awaiting my refund and he has promised it to me by last Tues. 2/29/000.
It's now Thurs. 3/2/2000. Nearly 1 month after we statred this simple transaction.
His reply today was "do what you got to do."
"Don't know why you hav'nt received the package yet." "I' ve been busy this month and alot of my personal business is screwed up."

All I can do is make people aware and voice my distain for this kind of unhonorable, uncourteous, unreasonable, unfortunate and lack of regard for a since of ethical treatment of people.

Yes, I understand that some of you have had no problems w/ this individual. That is not my purpose or motive. I can only relate my experiences and voice my opinions.
Other members have emailed me privately as well relating their horror stories w/ individual.

I'm sure he will be on his best behavior now since he is under scrutiny of many now and that is my hope. to make others in a state of awareness so that they will not be victims of this unacceptable conduct.
That is my purpose and desire. To help others so that that the Unhonorable behavior will either stop or he will be removed from Blade Forums.
IMHO
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Thanks

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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."



[This message has been edited by Tamishigiri (edited 03-02-2000).]
 
Please read my post in the other Docbart thread about sticking to the facts....

I'm confused -- he said please give your EMAIL address to him so he can send you the knife???

Of course I can readily understand people are often upset when they post on this forum and I certainly don't mean to hassle anybody over typos and little things like that, but it is not entirely clear what the facts are in this transaction, at least not to me.

That's another reason for not going into explaining exactly how dishonorable etc. you think someone's actions were ... if you concentrate solely on explaining exactly what happened that's more likely to come out in a clear and easily understandable form, and that's what we need to know ... we can each decide for ourselves how honorable or otherwise we consider a person's actions to be, once we understand what he did.

-Cougar Allen :{)


[This message has been edited by Cougar Allen (edited 03-03-2000).]
 
Cougar,

Obviously, Tamishirigi meant to write his shipping address or home address and put email.

What is apparent is the Docbart, has his money, received it overnight FEDEX a month ago. And while Docbart claims "immense personal problems" he is able to make other transactions (see the other Docbart thread).

So the question should be "what is keeping him from sending back the refund"?

I think we can all agrea that a month should be more than enough time to send back a refund.

Cougar, we can appreciate what you are trying to do with your post. However, lets focus on who the bad guy is here. Docbart, as Tamishigiri has done, no doubt has the ability to answer this statement with his own version of the facts.

Docbart has been defamed and defended by others, now it is time for him to speak up.

Cougar, I think you would agree, at best Docbart is unethical and at worst, well each of us can fill in their own blank.

Les
 
Let me clarify. My mistake.
He emailed him for a status and he replied some girl had lost my Shipping address.
So, why could'nt he look up my email address in the Forums and inform me so the transaction could continue ?
Bye the way still no reply or Refund.
Thanks

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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
Very well put Les. You know, its always funny how the people that screw you out of a knife or money always just happen to have some big problem at home. Now im sure this really does happen, but the "my computer blew up, or my wife lost the mail, or I have to go out of town" excuses are all to common for those who dont live up to thier end if the deal.

Richard
 
As of March 6th still no refund.


What am I pretending not to know ?

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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
March 7th, still no refund or reply to email.
Thanks
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
Still no Refund or Email response yet.
Thanks
biggrin.gif


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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
Mr. Allen -

At this point, is there anything that the Forums can do to assist in resolving this matter? Clearly, a member has acted improperly at least twice. Can he be banned, pending making good on his misdeeds? Can not some moral suasion be applied by the organization to help the victims?

It seems a shame that Doc be allowed to continue to prey on forumites with apparent impunity. Any light you can shed would be helpful.
 
Moderator-level access doesn't give me the power to ban members myself, but Spark does have that access. He's been very busy the last few days with system problems, but I think that's finally settled down now. I'll drop him an email.

-Cougar :{)
 
Thank you gentleman for your correct and just decision. Your sense of rectitude is appreciated.
Much Thanks

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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
Still no Refund or Email.
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
Still no email or REFUND.
Thanks
biggrin.gif


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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
Obviously his silence speaks volumes w/ regards to his desire to remedy the situation.

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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
It is unfortunate with all the deals that do go on here that things like this happen. It is too bad that when something like this happens, it weakens the trust that we have with trading with new members or members who don't have as much feedback as many others do. I personally have been on this forum since Oct of 1998 and although I have less than 200 posts (which is unusual even to me) I have made many many transactions with various folk that have gone incredibly smooth. In one instance (with G2=Gary Graley) I had ordered a leather sheath for my Sebenza, and he had sent it out before I even had a chance to get the money order ready. Enclosed was a note asking me to evaluate how I liked the sheath and to send the money when I was happy with it or to simple send the sheath back. That's service above and beyond which I have never quite experienced before and is not just limited to Gary. We all know there are other great members to deal with here, it's just sad when one individual weakens the overall sense of trust that is an integral part of this and every community
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my sympathies to those who have been ripped off...
sorry to rant, just my 2

jon
 
I appreciate your compassion and words of truth.

My purpose is to make others in awareness so that their greif or pain would be less or void. That to me is worth every penny that I lost !

Thanks

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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
I appreciate your compassion and words of truth.

My purpose is to make others in awareness so that their greif or pain would be less or void. That to me is worth every penny that I lost !

Thanks
biggrin.gif


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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
Update:
Still no email or refund. Yes, I know it's not coming......
Thanks
biggrin.gif


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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
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