Does a curved blade chop better than a straight one?

It's all about sweet spot-the weight distribution, the grind, the thickness of the blade. My Condor Khukri is my most efficient chopper, though I believe it is due to the weight being forward, moreso than the belly. I think the .125 inch stock is also a great balance between strength, rigidity (flex decreases the biting depth) and high performance deep biting. Although a convex grind is going to last longer, I find that flat grinds are more consistant as far as biting deep. I'd like to see a 'reverse khukri'-with the belly on the spine instead of the blade-to compare how it would do. I'm willing to bet a flat blade weighted on the back would bite as deep as a khukri, golok or other weight-forward chopping design.
 
The curve of a khukuri would seem to work better than the curve on the above knife.
I appreciate your opinion but can you explain your reasoning? I am still experimenting and trying to tweak the design.

May I suggest you read a bit on the HI forum? We discuss a lot of WHY kukri work there.

In short:
1.) The position of the "sweet spot" on a kukri is, as another pointed out, right where the bit of an axe would be for an equal length tool.

2.) The forward bend works with your body's geometry and with the standard whipping motion used to chop with a kukri. You start with a somewhat loose grip, swing the kukri like you're cracking a whip -- the wrist motion makes it move faster than chopping with a locked wrist. The forward bend then makes sure the kukri makes contact before your wrist locks all the way forward (which would decrease the kukri's speed). This same whipping motion works just as well with machetes, hatchets and tomahawks.

3.) The curved blade, plus the curving motion of your arm swinging means the blade runs as well as pushes. This gives no advantage in splitting (but no disadvantage, either), but when felling, limbing and bucking when you have to go across the fibers, the blade slices the fibers as well as pushing through.

4.) Less surface area making contact means higher PSI ont he contact area, means a deeper cut. The deeper the belly, the more pronounced this will be.
 
The curve of a khukuri would seem to work better than the curve on the above knife.

The khukuri gets its chopping ability from the forward weight in it and multiplying the force of the sweet spot.

I would think that if the front of the curve were brought down about 1/2-3/4" instead of being so upswept, the mechanics of the swing and the angle of impact would be more direct. Given where the sweet spot probably is in that design, your angle of approach would be 15-20 degrees angled back and down. Body position has a lot to do with impact angle, obviously, but when you chop, your arm is straight inline when it impacts and the spot in the blade should be lined up straight to your arm as well.

Parangs have been around a long time and are a proven design. If you make the curve more minimalist like a Parang, I think you will have one helluva chopper.:thumbup::thumbup:
 
The kukri has the proper shape .I don't know if I can describe this in words properly .The blade should be perpendicular to the stroke for best efficiency .That is the stroke is parallel to the forearm. The curve of the kukri puts the blade parallel to the forearm therefore the maximum energy goes into the stroke. That's why the kukri really shines when cutting heavier stuff. Cutting things like grasses is not nearly so critical .In fact a machete has , partly, a slicing action which is fine for grasses. The kukri chops, best for heavy stuff.
I read a book written by a soldier who was in the WWII Burma campaign. He has a chapter dedicated to jungle knives .His suggestion for such a campaign would be to have an assortment of jungle knives and an axe .Each tool for a different type of material. Kukri for the heavy duty cutting , on down the line for lighter cutting.
 
May I suggest you read a bit on the HI forum? We discuss a lot of WHY kukri work there.

In short:
1.) The position of the "sweet spot" on a kukri is, as another pointed out, right where the bit of an axe would be for an equal length tool.

2.) The forward bend works with your body's geometry and with the standard whipping motion used to chop with a kukri. You start with a somewhat loose grip, swing the kukri like you're cracking a whip -- the wrist motion makes it move faster than chopping with a locked wrist. The forward bend then makes sure the kukri makes contact before your wrist locks all the way forward (which would decrease the kukri's speed). This same whipping motion works just as well with machetes, hatchets and tomahawks.

3.) The curved blade, plus the curving motion of your arm swinging means the blade runs as well as pushes. This gives no advantage in splitting (but no disadvantage, either), but when felling, limbing and bucking when you have to go across the fibers, the blade slices the fibers as well as pushing through.

4.) Less surface area making contact means higher PSI ont he contact area, means a deeper cut. The deeper the belly, the more pronounced this will be.

The CPL is right on. If you look at an HI khukri, there is a distal taper towards the end of the grip as well as to the point of the blade. This is in effort to centralize the weight where the blade meets the handle, creating a rotating axis. With a khukri, you aren't doing a full arm chop, the chop is in the rotation of the wrist. You aren't using upper arm strength, but the mass of the blade and the quick short wrist rotation. It's an entirely different deal. Even if you did a full arm swing, the downward stroke of your arm is circular-it's coming inward slightly as well as downward, as it impacts deadfall wood. This is why the inside of the belly comes in handy. Even though the blade may be heavier, it does conserve alot of energy and potential injury due to a missed wild swing versus a short controlled rotating chop. It's not the only way to get the job done, just a very efficient way.

As far as the Cpl's statement on belly goes, you can accomplish this same effect in more 'standard' blade designs by using thinner stock and thinner grinds. This is one reason why a flat ground tramontina is SO effective (of course the downside is an edge prone to denting and rolling)-with thin stock and a thin grind, it doesn't take nearly the same amount of force to bite very deep and controlled. Whereas thick choppers act by decimating material, a thinner, shorter blade bites nice, controlled, precise V notches that Ideally look like this:
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as you work your way to the center of the limb. Again this saves energy instead of wildly swinging with a thick, long, decimating convexed chopper. Instead of using brute force to send chunks flying, you are using a short controlled action that's less likely going to bounce off a log and wind up imbedded in your foot or your kneecap. I'm not sure if belly or a flat edge would be more effective for this kind of chopping, I'm pretty sure it's mostly about thin stock and thin grind.

Looking at your design, I think it would be much more efficient if you flipped the handle around-put the handle where the tip of the blade is now, so that the drastic sweep occurs at the end-that's where you want all that forward weight. At that point I'd think it would be a very efficient chopper.

One design that I believe has alot of promise is the 10 inch Paratrooper Martindale. Nice big belly towards the end of the blade. I would love to own one, but they cost 40-50 dollars here in the states and from what I hear the handles are crap. If a maker were to take that design and refine it a bit, I think it would be very successful.
 
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I love curved blades, they bite like nobody's business...draw cuts are better, chopping is focused to easier find sweet spot and the tip is kept out of harms way...the only downside I have is sharpening, which is tougher....02

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I think your chopper is spot on for Jungle work against softer foliage, the S curve reminds me of a Hyper Parang, what kind of testing have you done with this knife?
 
I think your chopper is spot on for Jungle work against softer foliage, the S curve reminds me of a Hyper Parang, what kind of testing have you done with this knife?

First I'll give the specs. It's 18-1/2" overall with 11" of cutting edge.It's forged from .262 thick 5160 and tapers to aprox 1/8" at the tip.The blade is aprox 2" wide with a zero convex grind.

It will slice through 4" bamboo in one swipe and I have done quite a bit of chopping in seasoned Hickory and Oak from my fire wood pile.
 
The curve concentrates more of the force to a specific poit along the edge whereas a straight edge is more evenly distributed. The average penetration is the same for both. It's more the blade shape that has an effect on the chop.
 
Khukuri blades obviously chop fantastic. I would have thought the blade slopping down would be best until I got my Condor Parang. It has an upswept blade very similar to the one in the OP(mine). I think that you have an extra millisecond to build momentum before it hits. For slashing cuts and flat out chopping I think the curved blade wins. I will test and report here. I think the post about the axe is very interesting. Very seldom do you see an axe that isnt curved.

Another thing to think about is that if the blade is curved such as this one your cut will continue as the blade slides through. A khukuri will stop or come to a rest at the top. This not very much extra motion. If it was a Zombie head this might make all the difference.
Hopefully this curvy blade works well!
 
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Another thing to think about is that if the blade is curved such as this one your cut will continue as the blade slides through. A khukuri will stop or come to a rest at the top.

Negative, Ghostrider.

This happens only if you hit right on the center of the belly, or forward of it.

A proper kukri impact will begin at a point before the center of the belly, and the blade because of the curve will "run" and slice the fibers to a stopping point forward of the center of the belly. The angle between the start and end points will be wider the softer the material is, and narrower the harder the material is.

The forward bend gives you the advantage that your wrist isn't locked forward at the point of impact, so you have more flexibility and strength in your wrist at the time of impact.

Kukri have a learning curve associated with them. But once you learn them, you'll be very surprised at just how well they work. Trust me, I was a die-hard axe man, and couldn't see how those weird looking knives could be any better. But, they really shined, especially once I learned to use them (talking real kukri here). However, it also made me MUCH BETTER with my axes and machetes.

If you notice all primitive cultures that still use machetes and the like daily all use the same loose grip, whipping motion. Guess what? It works for axes, too. The standard swing the axe forward and then bend at the knees to drive the bit straight in works great for splitting. However for felling and limbing and bucking, if you impact the bit just before your arms lock out, the bit will drive in and run and go much deeper. This obviously works best with bearded axes, but I've made it work with a bit as narrow as that of the CS Trail Hawk.

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Interestingly enough, I've also found that with a bearded axe, you can do some cutting of soft vegetation by choking up a bit and running the blade, rather than hacking at the stuff. Doesn't give the reach of a machete or kukri, but it works.
 
Curved blades are particularly good for chopping people, especially when you are mounted on a horse. History is full of curved blades that excel at that.
The geometry should also work well for chopping inanimate objects except that if the target is too hard, the length of the blade won't slide through the target for maximum effect and you'll be focussing on the most forward part of the curved blade which will give you a bit more penetration ( less surface area for the given momentum applied) but more deformation or wear too. If you are clearing brush so you can use the whole blade, or more of the curve, it's more ergonomic and efficient - probably. I have no experimental evidence or hard proof of this. If Cliff Stamp is out there somewhere we could get a lecture ;)
If someone on the forum is disposed to do a field test....
I prefer a straight blade for chopping, but that's just what I'm used to. Many people swear by curved blades and I'm looking for a new one to buy and try. But concave or convex curve?
The mind boggles :)
 
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