Does the sheath on the Buck 110 force the blade into the backspacer?

Hashishiin

Hashishiin

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Somebody told me that I was needlessly worrying about my Spydercos slamming into the backspacer as they had a kick which prevented this, and they specifically mentioned the Buck 110 as one of the knives that you can overshoot and hit the blade into the backspacer. Does this happen when you put the knife into the sheath? Because I got my first 110 today and noticed that the blade is depressed more than it is in it's resting state, but was unsure if it was enough to touch the backspacer. Can anyone clarify on this point?

Bonus if you can tell me if the Espada XL can hit the backspacer. Thanks! This is such a great, classy knife. Got this and my first Leatherman, that one courtesy of BF's Gator. as my first examples of quality heat treated 420HC today and wanna take care of 'em!
 
Congrats!
I have no idea, but I doubt it. They have had since the 1960's to get the thing right, so I think Buck knows what they are doing. My 110 has never had any problems like that, and Ive carried it in 2 different sheaths over a lot of years.
Also, any knife could have this problem, kick or no. Traditional pocketknives have this issue all the time where the blade impacts the backspring in some way, and almost all of them have a kick on each blade. It is really no big deal.

As far as the Espada XL goes, I have no idea.
 
I checked my 110, and it doesn't hit the back spacer. I don't know if my dad's does, but he has carried one for over 40 years, and I don't think I have ever seen any wear on the edge of his knives when he has me clean and sharpen them every 3 or 4 months.
 
Buck lockbacks have a kick so the blade rests without rapping, but the blade can be forced beyond the resting position. When I carry a 112 in my pocket, it would sometimes develop a blunt spot where it hit the backspacer, but it never happened when I used the sheath. Prefer to pocket carry my 112, so I put a small piece of rubber gasket material inside the knife and never had the problem again. I know that sounds like rubbish, but it works perfectly. A 110 in a sheath will be fine.
 
Bastler said:
Buck lockbacks have a kick so the blade rests without rapping, but the blade can be forced beyond the resting position. When I carry a 112 in my pocket, it would sometimes develop a blunt spot where it hit the backspacer, but it never happened when I used the sheath. Prefer to pocket carry my 112, so I put a small piece of rubber gasket material inside the knife and never had the problem again. I know that sounds like rubbish, but it works perfectly. A 110 in a sheath will be fine.
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No, it doesn't sound like rubbish, I was going to put a small strip of leather or something on the back of my Higonokamis so that the blade can be put back all the way, though it's not hard to avoid.
CVamberbonehead said:
Congrats!
I have no idea, but I doubt it. They have had since the 1960's to get the thing right, so I think Buck knows what they are doing. My 110 has never had any problems like that, and Ive carried it in 2 different sheaths over a lot of years.
Also, any knife could have this problem, kick or no. Traditional pocketknives have this issue all the time where the blade impacts the backspring in some way, and almost all of them have a kick on each blade. It is really no big deal.

As far as the Espada XL goes, I have no idea.
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How does the blade impact the backspring, in what way? Is using the sheath inadvisable for that reason?
 
I can't answer your question for you but I have a damascus Kershaw Skyline that the edge definitely hits the backspacer on. Kind of drives me mad. On this one it's because the hold in the blade that the detent ball falls into is quite a bit larger than the detent so there's play. When i got it it had a line in the backspacer where the edge had cut it throughout it's passed life. I took my dremel to it and took a as much material off as I could without getting into the screw holes but it still wasn't enough. I've also been planning on putting a small piece of leather or something in there.
 
Tri-Ad knives have a stop pin down inside the handle that the blade rests against for just this reason, so no, the XL Espada's edge cannot contact the back spacer or spring.

Pic swiped from another thread here showing the secondary stop pin:

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LimpCroissant said:
I can't answer your question for you but I have a damascus Kershaw Skyline that the edge definitely hits the backspacer on. Kind of drives me mad. On this one it's because the hold in the blade that the detent ball falls into is quite a bit larger than the detent so there's play. When i got it it had a line in the backspacer where the edge had cut it throughout it's passed life. I took my dremel to it and took a as much material off as I could without getting into the screw holes but it still wasn't enough. I've also been planning on putting a small piece of leather or something in there.
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Man, I am glad I did not get the Skyline when I was craving the Navaja and just went with the Espada, that would drive me crazy too! Yes, leather is the key, going to do this with my Higonokamis
 
G. Scott H. said:
Tri-Ad knives have a stop pin down inside the handle that the blade rests against for just this reason, so no, the XL Espada's edge cannot contact the back spacer or spring.

Pic swiped from another thread here showing the secondary stop pin:

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Yes, thank you!! Awesome. Does this pic mean the Spyderco would hit the backspring? It does not have the same little bit.
 
G. Scott H. said:
I assume it could, like any other traditional back lock, but I can't say for sure, not having owned one.
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Dang, somebody specifically told me not to worry about that with the Endura, but I was scared that the tip of my Matriarch could hit the backspacer. Hopefully somebody knowing for sure shall come through!
 
Hashishiin said:
No, it doesn't sound like rubbish, I was going to put a small strip of leather or something on the back of my Higonokamis so that the blade can be put back all the way, though it's not hard to avoid.

How does the blade impact the backspring, in what way? Is using the sheath inadvisable for that reason?
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It only happens when you let the blade fall into the handle at full force. It doesn't happen on all knives. People call it blade rap.
Even if using the sheath pushed the blade into the backspring, it wouldn't do much honestly. The leather or nylon of a sheath has more "give" in it than the metal of the knife does, so even if it pushed the blade in it wouldn't be that hard. You are worrying over nothing honestly, it is really no big deal. There are roughly 1 gazillion Buck 110s out there in the world riding in sheaths every day and they last for years and years with no ill effects. The problem would solve itself in a couple of sharpenings (as you remove metal from the blade) anyway if there was a problem. Its all good, just carry your knife and enjoy! You'll be set for life with a Buck 110 and a Leatherman! :)
 
Hashishiin said:
How does the blade impact the backspring, in what way? Is using the sheath inadvisable for that reason?
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I've carried a Buck knife for some time and in my experience, using the sheath is the best way to avoid forcing the blade beyond the resting position. Carry your 110 without worry and enjoy it, it's a great knife.

Hashishiin said:
Yes, thank you!! Awesome. Does this pic mean the Spyderco would hit the backspring? It does not have the same little bit.
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The kick on the Spyderco lockbacks rests close the pivot of the rocker arm so that pressing on the blade in the closed position forces against the pivot. Most Spyderco lockbacks cannot be forced beyond the resting position when closed.
 
CVamberbonehead said:
It only happens when you let the blade fall into the handle at full force. It doesn't happen on all knives. People call it blade rap.
Even if using the sheath pushed the blade into the backspring, it wouldn't do much honestly. The leather or nylon of a sheath has more "give" in it than the metal of the knife does, so even if it pushed the blade in it wouldn't be that hard. You are worrying over nothing honestly, it is really no big deal. There are roughly 1 gazillion Buck 110s out there in the world riding in sheaths every day and they last for years and years with no ill effects. The problem would solve itself in a couple of sharpenings (as you remove metal from the blade) anyway if there was a problem. Its all good, just carry your knife and enjoy! You'll be set for life with a Buck 110 and a Leatherman! :)
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Alright, thanks for allaying my worries, this is just my first time and the Buck is shaving sharp, didn't wanna ruin that off the bat! Am new to all of this, got my first Opinel last Oct, now am 9 Spydies, 5 CS, etc etc deep! Haha. Going to need to learn to sharpen properly, gonna get a sharpmaker to keep 'em sharp, a guided system to sharpen, and a stone to learn freehand. Stropped an Opinel this week for my first stropping, seemed to work!

And I love the combo already, first day I didn't go out with a PM2 since I don't know when!
 
Hashishiin said:
Man, I am glad I did not get the Skyline when I was craving the Navaja and just went with the Espada, that would drive me crazy too! Yes, leather is the key, going to do this with my Higonokamis
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Well actually it's only the damascus Skylines. Or it may even just have been a certain batch of damscus skylines. I've had two regular sandvik Skylines and neither of those had the issue. 👍
 
LimpCroissant said:
Well actually it's only the damascus Skylines. Or it may even just have been a certain batch of damscus skylines. I've had two regular sandvik Skylines and neither of those had the issue. 👍
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Oh, that is good to know! I was looking at a Skyline for a large Navaja-style knife that is a bit smaller and more utility oriented than the Espada (though you'd be shocked how much you can choke up for fine work on that). Glad to know the normal ones are all good.

Feel good carrying the 110 in the sheath, now. Love it, very classy. To me, it's the modern iteration of the Mercator K55, reinvented the lockback. Love the large, heavy EDC, it is fitting sometimes just as light carry is. I had better not get any guff for my copper PM2 being too heavy at 7.8oz! Haha
 
Hashishiin said:
Oh, that is good to know! I was looking at a Skyline for a large Navaja-style knife that is a bit smaller and more utility oriented than the Espada (though you'd be shocked how much you can choke up for fine work on that). Glad to know the normal ones are all good.

Feel good carrying the 110 in the sheath, now. Love it, very classy. To me, it's the modern iteration of the Mercator K55, reinvented the lockback. Love the large, heavy EDC, it is fitting sometimes just as light carry is. I had better not get any guff for my copper PM2 being too heavy at 7.8oz! Haha
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Well shoot, here's a pic to help your Skyline cravings 😭. It's one of my favorite knives honestly. Super thin, slicey blade!

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Hashishiin said:
What?! That one is fine! Copper scales?
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Yessir, copper :). I really like the combo of the damascus with the copper. I think once I put a little piece of leather in it it'll be perfect. But yea, Flytanium is the plug for copper scales for them. AND they're discontinued and on sale for 18 bucks.
 
They come with a little rougher finish. I took a little sand paper to them to make them shine more and develop a shinier patina.
 
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