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oXide said:
You can start a fire with the battery, just like steel wool and a 9V. Unless you have an iPhone, then your screwed. Also, you can play games on your phone, which helps with maintaining a PMA. And do you have any idea how hot most smart phones get? You almost don't need a fire, just play Angry Birds on it until you can't hold it, then place it on your chest. Also, in the even that your cell phone is dead, it's screen is still shiny/reflective (unless your me, my phone has more scratches than my brother running through an alley full of rabid cats). :D
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You go on ahead and try starting a fire with your cell phone. Have fun with that. I'll stick to my Ferro Rod and Wetfire. Making fire isn't about "Is it possible", it's "Can you do it EVERY time?"

THAT BEING SAID.....Let me digress a moment and bring the temperature down a bit. Shotgun DOES make a good point, and I'll tell you why. Not for the same reason he stated though (Just call for help).

I'm all about redundancy. Try the easy stuff FIRST, but know how to do without. MY cell phone actually IS considered part of my survival gear. I have a Motorola Bionic Android Phone. I have an entire page on it with survival RICH apps. Wild Edibles Identification. First Aid Books. INFORMATION (it is, basically a LINUX computer). Even the flashlight app I have I chose because you can enter text and it will convert it to morse code and flash the camera flash in morse. It has full fledge GPS and Mapping apps. Even without cell signal it is HIGHLY useful. And I have two New Trent external batteries that will keep it going for a loooooong time. I've even pushed this idea in the Pathfinder group. But thats not the skills Dave teaches. Thats something I have to my advantage while I have it or while it still works. It just is a "luxury" item and therefore we don't count it.

You train for the worst, and hope for the best.

You can even put one in that pouch the OP has on his sheath!
 
I said it was possible, I didn't say reliable, I personally prefer my ferro rod and char cloth/cotton balls, I was trying to make a moot point.
 
Shotgun said:
Actually I didn't mean cell phone but it couldn't hurt. I mean any type of signaling device. A whistle and signal mirror is pretty standard. Signaling equipment should be on a "5 basics" list from any survival instructor wether it's a no brainer or not. That's what basic lists are for, to make sure you have the basics. And your list of stuff that needs to be done is moot if you can signal someone for rescue. The point is to not need to purify water, process wood or any of the other crap. The idea is to get RESCUED as fast as possible. Though I can see how asking for help goes against Canterbury's macho BS. Take advice from who you like but you have two guys with SAR background in this one thread saying signaling is important. I'm saying it's among the most important.
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Signaling IS in his system, and he teaches it. Everything he includes has to be MULTI-USE. Signal with fire. Signal with the compass mirror (in the next 5 Cs of the 10 Cs). Signal with the bandana (C-Cloth) if it is orange. The 5 C's are all about the 5 most important things that are the hardest to improvise if you dont have them.

With the "Rambo" and "Macho BS" remarks, it seems to me you have a pre-conception of Dave Canterbury. If you actually knew the guy you wouldn't think that. He's the nicest, most down-to-earth "famous" person I've ever met. Using those descriptors tells me you are drawing from something other than who the guy actually is.

"The idea is to get RESCUED as fast as possible" Yes. You're saying he doesn't teach that? Funny....I seem to remember sitting for 2 hours listening to him talk about it.

What if you CAN'T GET RESCUED? What then? I think we are talking about two ENTIRELY different things, and you have no idea at all about Dave C or what he even teaches. You are all about ONE thing: Having someone else save your ass and making the rookie mistake of believing that you can always be rescued before anything bad happens, so screw the rest of it. I'm talking about knowing how to save your OWN ass based around the things a human being needs to live UP TO the point when you CAN get rescued, or SELF rescue.

Nothing more to add here. Hopefully if you ever find yourself in an emergency, there will be someone else to save you. That seems to be your strategy.
 
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oXide said:
I said it was possible, I didn't say reliable, I personally prefer my ferro rod and char cloth/cotton balls, I was trying to make a moot point.
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I personally prefer a lighter or better yet, a road flare. Then again, people typically don't have any "survival" gear in a survival situation. All the crap in the world, won't save you if you don't use that tool between your ears. You guys crack me up. :D
 
C_Tanner said:
You are all about ONE thing: Having someone else save your ass and making the rookie mistake of believing that you can always be rescued before anything bad happens, so screw the rest of it. I'm talking about knowing how to save your OWN ass based around the things a human being needs to live UP TO the point when you CAN get rescued, or SELF rescue.

Nothing more to add here.
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Not at all. You should be able to do what you need to but calling for help should be number one. Assuming you're not in iminent danger. There's a difference between teaching self reliance and teaching wilderness survival. The two are not the same. But we disagree. Let's leave it at that.
 
oXide said:
I said it was possible, I didn't say reliable, I personally prefer my ferro rod and char cloth/cotton balls, I was trying to make a moot point.
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Cotton and some sort of petroleum jelly....My favorite! You could put some in that pouch in post #1! (I know what you were saying...no worries!)
 
Shotgun said:
Not at all. You should be able to do what you need to but calling for help should be number one. Assuming you're not in iminent danger. There's a difference between teaching self reliance and teaching wilderness survival. The two are not the same. But we disagree. Let's leave it at that.
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Fair enough. We both still like Becker Knives, Right? *shake hands*

And you're right....they aren't the same, hence the list differences. For a non-survival but outdoorsy type, I would agree with you 100%.
 
C_Tanner said:
Fair enough. We both still like Becker Knives, Right? *shake hands*

And you're right....they aren't the same, hence the list differences. For a non-survival but outdoorsy type, I would agree with you 100%.
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You know what. Sorry man. I think we both mean well but got a bug up our arse. And I'm willing to admit that I started it. I just think that signaling is highly important but I come from a SAR training background so I know the flip side. The people who DON'T call for help. We actually had a class on where people, men specifically, tend to be pridefull and instead of calling for help go it alone "cuz the truck is right over there" or "I can make do on my own." Pride kills faster then any lack of gear IMO. I apologize for being a dink. And yes we both like beckers even though I don't currently own one. ;)
 
Shotgun said:
And yes we both like beckers even though I don't currently own one. ;)
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oooooo....We gotta fix THAT!! Figure out what you like and try it. Whatever you do, don't ask for 'first Becker' recommendations around here! Your head will explode.

Oh, and I come from a Navy/Damage Control/Emergency Conflageration background, which has had a big effect on my survival stuff. I tend to think of every possible scenario and every possible piece of gear and 10 different things I can do for each one. I also think people in general are just plain stupid, and thats what gets them killed. That and not testing themselves and then going out for an adventure, like the however-many people that have died going out trying to imitate Bear Grylls.


And the pouch in post one works just fine.
 
C_Tanner said:
oooooo....We gotta fix THAT!! Figure out what you like and try it. Whatever you do, don't ask for 'first Becker' recommendations around here! Your head will explode.
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I've owned a couple. Eyeing the 9 right now if my current setup doesn't work out.
 
i hope its comfortable wherever you wish to put it, belt or pack, because if it is, you can fit your survival kit plus 2 sandwiches and a can of coke i think :cool: :thumbup:

(the sandwich and coke i picked up from ron hood, rip)
 
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